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Damon67
Posted 2015-05-13 1:03 AM (#510374 - in reply to #510207)
Subject: Re: Reissues



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There's a 30th Anniversary, exactly like the one pictured above that's been sitting in Maryland at Guitar Center for a month for $1099 I've really wanted to pull the trigger, but adding it to my wall would be pretty redundant. I have a cutaway deep (Al DiMeola), non cutaway deep , an SSB (with roland pu), and even a mid bowl (special GC edition). They're everywhere, or if they aren't right now, wait a week.



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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-13 1:14 AM (#510375 - in reply to #510207)
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See any 6-string slothead Custom Legends? That would open my wallet.
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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2015-05-13 3:13 AM (#510376 - in reply to #510207)
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I am no longer in the market for an Ovation or an Adamas since I have all I ever wanted and more - but a Q-Reissue would make me overthink it.

And Bill's right: Let's talk about smaller guitars! On other guitar boards more and more naturally born dreadnought guys tend to smaller guitars like OMs or 00s with 12-frests because of shoulder problems, arthritis, comfort while sitting seated - and although I always loved the Ovation Shape, a new Parlor sized guitar would get my interest. And Ovation always did great inlay work (with not even using Abalam but the real stuff in pieces), a thing a Parlor could definitely need and wear, but the only Parlor we got did not have.

All in all: Like the Prof said, lend your main attraction to the custom shop and let there be only four models hit the market: Legend and Elite, Custom Legend and Custom Elite. Bring these with COATED STRINGS to the shops, like Taylor and Santa Cruz does for years and now Martin does with their treated strings as well. Make four attractive, not to overpriced, american made guitars that stand out and sound good still after three months hanging in the shop, with all extras (12-string, slotheads, Cutaway or not etc.) being available through the custom shop.

All the best,
Kurt
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TAFKAR
Posted 2015-05-13 4:02 AM (#510377 - in reply to #510335)
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alpep - 2015-05-13 11:36 AM

when you ask a committee......


Al, What reissue (if any) would you feel confident you could stock up on and not still be trying to flog off five years later?

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FlySig
Posted 2015-05-13 8:34 AM (#510382 - in reply to #510340)
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xraiderman - 2015-05-12 6:00 PM
I'm looking for comments about parlor sized guitars, gypsy jazz, maybe a graphite Adamas guitars.
Maybe all ADAMAS bowls should be hand made or graphite as part of the brand promise. I'm not sure why I have a spruce top Adamas in my office. It doesn't make sense to me.


Parlor: Yes. The '97 Collector's edition is still on my wish list. It has a surprisingly big sound. I think variety is important in marketing the product line. We all know the differences between a Legend, Balladeer, Custom Legend, Glen Campbell, etc, but the non-fanatic does not. We get caught up in slot heads vs broccoli vs paddle, but again the average non-fanatic doesn't see the difference as interesting.

So, yes, I like the idea of a parlor size, plus some other interesting different models such as gypsy jazz (thought I would not buy one of those myself). Jumbo perhaps. Resonator maybe.

All graphite Adamas? Only if it is sonically excellent. My brief limited exposure to other brands such as Rainsong left me unimpressed.

No Adamas should ever have a wood top. The WTA at the Road Show was an incredible sounding guitar, but I feel it dilutes what Adamas stands for.
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Standingovation
Posted 2015-05-13 10:23 AM (#510388 - in reply to #510375)
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Tony Calman - 2015-05-13 12:14 AM

See any 6-string slothead Custom Legends? That would open my wallet.


It opened mine ...

CUSTOM LEGEND SLOTHEAD
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2015-05-13 11:21 AM (#510391 - in reply to #510342)
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Jonmark Stone - 2015-05-12 5:21 PM

xraiderman - 2015-05-12 7:00 PM

I'm not sure why I have a spruce top Adamas in my office. It doesn't make sense to me.

+1


JmStone -- man of few words......
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Patch
Posted 2015-05-13 11:45 AM (#510392 - in reply to #510340)
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xraiderman - 2015-05-12 8:00 PM 

I'm not sure why I have a spruce top Adamas in my office. It doesn't make sense to me.

You could always send it to me. "Sense" is somewhat relative in my world.

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stonebobbo
Posted 2015-05-13 11:58 AM (#510393 - in reply to #510388)
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Standingovation - 2015-05-13 8:23 AM
Tony Calman - 2015-05-13 12:14 AM See any 6-string slothead Custom Legends? That would open my wallet.
It opened mine ... CUSTOM LEGEND SLOTHEAD

 

Beautiful.  I love the inlaid rosette ... I 've never been a fan of the stick on ones.

 

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Slipkid
Posted 2015-05-13 1:06 PM (#510396 - in reply to #510207)
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Yeah... that one is really top shelf.
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Damon67
Posted 2015-05-13 2:51 PM (#510399 - in reply to #510207)
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I love that guitar. Stunning.

Dave, aside from the Custom Legend bling how is it different than the Folklore 2774LX?



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d'ovation
Posted 2015-05-13 4:33 PM (#510404 - in reply to #510388)
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Standingovation - 2015-05-13 9:23 AM
Tony Calman - 2015-05-13 12:14 AM See any 6-string slothead Custom Legends? That would open my wallet.
It opened mine ... TCUSTOM LEGEND SLOTHEAD

Interesting, I always figured slothead  to be more suitable for 12 fret neck without cutaway. 



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Standingovation
Posted 2015-05-13 4:41 PM (#510405 - in reply to #510207)
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Not really different. A few custom touches here and there but basically a 2774 with CL trim = a CL with 2774 neck.

The route I got to the end was an expensive one. I bought a new 2005 Collector and loved the bowl but wanted more bling. So I sold it for a loss and bought a new CL Contour. Loved it but wanted a wider neck and slotted headstock so I sold it for a loss and ordered the Custom that you see in the photos.

As nice as the final guitar was, it still wasn't quite lighting my fire so I ended up selling it and moving on to something non-Ovation.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-13 4:54 PM (#510406 - in reply to #510207)
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From what I understand, Al's initial 12-fret Koas were all sold.

The 2078LXFKOA-OSG (from 2007, probable several of the 12 are still available) that I recently got from AL is a wide neck cutaway 14 fret.

Took me awhile to get used to having a "Blow-Hole" but excellent guitar.

Believe and it may be possible...


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d'ovation
Posted 2015-05-13 5:01 PM (#510407 - in reply to #510405)
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Standingovation - 2015-05-13 3 As nice as the final guitar was, it still wasn't quite lighting my fire so I ended up selling it and moving on to something non-Ovation.

So what could be even more exciting? I am currently enjoying a Guild Orpheum Jumbo. 

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xraiderman
Posted 2015-05-13 6:04 PM (#510408 - in reply to #510207)
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Slipkid
Posted 2015-05-13 6:30 PM (#510409 - in reply to #510207)
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Very nice.
I guess the thing that I'm most happy & relieved about is that we have someone at the wheel who we do not have to teach, train and bring up to speed.

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xraiderman
Posted 2015-05-13 6:58 PM (#510410 - in reply to #510409)
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lol that was funny
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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-14 1:03 AM (#510417 - in reply to #510207)
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How about this for a "reissue" - The 1987C. It would sure stand out from the crowd.

From what I understand, only about 5 had bear claw. Credit to Noah for the photo.

Already great but I would love to see it with a floating fretboad like the 1537.

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stonebobbo
Posted 2015-05-14 1:35 AM (#510418 - in reply to #510417)
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Tony Calman - 2015-05-13 11:03 PM How about this for a "reissue" - The 1987C. It would sure stand out from the crowd. From what I understand, only about 5 had bear claw.

 

Great idea!  (I said that on page 1).    :-)

 

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TAFKAR
Posted 2015-05-14 2:00 AM (#510419 - in reply to #510408)
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xraiderman - 2015-05-14 11:04 AM

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Oh man! Some kid tagged your KK (knuckle duster) Adamas. I hate it when that happens.

At least it doesn't say "CWK II", that really kills the resale value.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-14 2:01 AM (#510420 - in reply to #510207)
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Bob, I know but I had to repeat it...gave it a restring tonight and got inspired...

I had the unique opportunity with my first 1537 where an individual clamped it down with a screw, not good.

Then my pre-production showed me how great the 1537 WITH THE FLOATING FRETBOARD actually is. Can't be that difficult to have the floating fretboard on every of top of the line Ovations.

Bill Xavier wants a guitar that will scream Ovation...not sure if this would scream but it would attract attention, stand out amongst the plain over priced wood boxes, and more than satisfy anyone who played it. It would have to have well defined bear claw and abalone. Maybe even an aging process.
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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2015-05-14 6:40 AM (#510424 - in reply to #510408)
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xraiderman - 2015-05-14 1:04 AM Sharing is caring

 

Cool, when did this turn out in a "Show what you got" thread? Well, there's a lot more, but no Parlor. Go figure.

 

 

 

Best regards,

Kurt

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standing
Posted 2015-05-14 10:44 AM (#510429 - in reply to #510207)
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My 2¢:

I own and play a variety of Ovation acoustic models, mostly deep-bowl and contour bowls.

I have always felt that the contour bowl was a reaction to a non-problem, and basically was a response to criticism made by people who would never buy a "plastic-back" guitar anyway.

(If deep bowls slip and are so difficult to play, why/how did so many major acts play them night-after-night on stage in the 1970's?)

I guess some folks love the contour bowl, but, IMO, in the process of answering the Ovation-haters and providing a marketing story about the "improvement" in playing comfort, they sacrificed the volume and tone that previously compared so favorably to many guitars in (and above) the (USA) Ovation price-range.


Acoustically, I think the contour bowls sound is (just) good-enough, but they are not comparable to the old deep bowl sound. (Plugged-in they're closer, but still not as good to me.) To my ears, none of the contour bowl models provide the full rich sound of a comparable (top/neck) deep bowl Ovation. I agree with many other posters that the 1537 was one of the best-sounding (wood-top) acoustics that Ovation ever produced. However, I don't believe that a 1537 with a contour bowl would sound anywhere near as sweet.

I've held my tongue on this subject for years, since buyers of many new USA Ovation core models had no choice once the contour-backs were phased-in, but this seems like a good time to bring it up.

So… IMO, any new model, or continuation of the Balladeer/Legend/Elite or reissue of 1537/1538/1547 or similar "back to our roots" model(s) should be offered in a deep-bowl (instead of a contour bowl.)

There, I said it, let the flaming begin! ;-)
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Damon67
Posted 2015-05-14 1:03 PM (#510435 - in reply to #510207)
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I agree with everything said except for the non-issue part. If you have a big 'ol belly, the contour does serve a purpose. 'O)' fits together than 'OO'. That said, all my contours except for one are history.



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