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Location: Colorado | On the wry side...Paul - did you ask if they could produce a three fret guitar?... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | elginacres - 2015-04-23 7:13 PM
did you ask if they could produce a three fret guitar?...
 Anything above the Fifth fret is just showing-off.
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Location: SoCal | Paul, hope you didn't tell them you were a PI or did a 'burn-out' in the parking lot. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I was informed that Mr. Paul Moody was a gentleman and represented us well. He may even get invited back  Bill did get quite a kick out of hanging up from a call with me and getting informed Paul was in the lobby, then not long after Paul left, someone else was in contact with Mr. Xavier to ask how his visit with Paul went. He said he felt like he was in a remake of "Meet the Fockers" with De Niro in the next room listening to everything. I wonder if I should tell him now or later that I used work for NSA.
Anyway, I had a quite in-depth chat with Bill Xavier today. Actually several chats on the phone and via email.
To sum up. This is happening folks. What really encouraged me, probably the most... or the most I can talk about... is all of the ideas. Some were obvious no-brainers, some were "gee I wonder if", some I liked and some I didn't, but they were ALL based on "innovation" and "improvement" while respecting the roots and the true meaning of what Ovation started out as. He's a guitar guy and he has a long working history with the right people.
I'm stoked.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | They sound so open and receptive to what The People want. I already like them!
I know it is still very early to be talking about this, but are they open to a Custom Shop and more Advanced Repairs Shop down the road?
Thank You so much for keeping us in the loop, this is exciting, and like Mr Arumako put it; Healing!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Actually I never called Mr Xavier so at least get the facts straight. And while he and I do communicate I don't feel the need to post it here. And I really don't appreciate having others post things I didn't do either. When the time is right then it will get posted. In the mean time it's just the silly game of who has the latest information and can spill it "of what I am authorized to divulge". Besides the majority of what gets the "what if we do this?" discussion never comes to pass and when leaked winds up being rumors that never happen and make people pissed off and distrustful. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Miles... is DW thinking about bringing back an electric? Cause if I recall right you mentioned you were more of an Ovation electric guy and Al was the expert on Ovation acoustics. You could really be a big part in bringing back the Breadwinner!!
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | This is getting better and better all the time! I just received some unexpected income, and it's definitely going into my "new O" stash! I might even be able to afford an A for the 1st time in my life! Make it happen DW! Still praying and hoping that Mr. Budny and the gang are there when it's all said and done... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Interesting comment Brad as I too have wondered why Mr. X is not talking to Al about the acoustics.
As the number one Adamas dealer and also innovator of many special order guitars that were both outstanding in specs and spectacular in sound, he would certainly be a logical choice.
Miles, have you asked Mr. X to involve Al in these early stage discussions? I would think his input would be invaluable.
Patch, I would ask you the same question? |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | arumako - 2015-04-24 10:50 AM
Make it happen DW!
Still praying and hoping that Mr. Budny and the gang are there when it's all said and done...
Me too, Me toooooo! John Budny is the BEST!!!
And Congratulations one the Windfall! I hope you get a really Gorgeous New One!! And yes, we will want many Pictures Please!  |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | cwk2 - 2015-04-24 7:43 AM
Actually I never called Mr Xavier so at least get the facts straight. And while he and I do communicate I don't feel the need to post it here. And I really don't appreciate having others post things I didn't do either. When the time is right then it will get posted. In the mean time it's just the silly game of who has the latest information and can spill it "of what I am authorized to divulge". Besides the majority of what gets the "what if we do this?" discussion never comes to pass and when leaked winds up being rumors that never happen and make people pissed off and distrustful.
I apologize as I must have misunderstood. I edited my post to be more accurate.
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | On a less serious note, this showed up in my inbox today. Do note that one suggestion is to find a support group. It may not be here!
https://reverb.com/blog/banjo-basics-for-guitarists-five-tips-for-fi... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Brad Durasa - 2015-04-24 8:08 AM
Miles... is DW thinking about bringing back an electric? Cause if I recall right you mentioned you were more of an Ovation electric guy and Al was the expert on Ovation acoustics. You could really be a big part in bringing back the Breadwinner!!
LOL.. Well that would be cool wouldn't it. They are reaching out to people who are the long-time players and collectors of Ovation instruments. I sense an earnest feeling of them wanting to get "it" right whatever "it" turns out to be. It's not like they walked into a fully operational running factory or are able to hang out in a store with an Ovation room to be a fly on the wall. Frankly most other guitar forums are pretty hostile places to hang out.
We have our moments, but we also have been collecting history for nearly 15 years. And, I'm sure they recognize that over 10,000 people see this site every month.
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Location: NJ | I talked to bill x 2 weeks ago.....
he called me and acted like he did not know who I was
now guys...... you meet or talk to me ONCE you KNOW who I am and REMEMBER me.
perhaps he has amnesia.....
or perhaps he needs a new phone since I could barely understand him on his tin can and string .... or maybe he was climbing up the pole to talk to mr, haney like in green acres......
but WTF do I know I was only the biggest custom order customer Ovation/Adamas had and the biggest adamas dealer in the world for a while..... |
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Location: Michigan | al , maybe you should give him a vacation  GWB |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | GWB, you are too funny since you turned off the caps!
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Location: SoCal | DW does not have an easy task to continue their current business while trying to reintroduce and revitalize a brand post Fender.
Not as easy as just turning the lights on. In addition to what went wrong in the past loss of market, they would have to be fairly conservative in determining a small line of U.S. made Ovations that would be the first to reappear, resources and staff to produce them, market and distribution, warranty/repair, and custom work to include Adamas.
There would have to be changes that specifically and quickly determined if the guitar was U.S. made or off-shore. Much of the brand image has been damaged by off-shore with the Ovation logo.
Relations with dealers would have to be repaired. Each purveyor (bowl, pre-amp, rosette, case, wood, etc.) would have to be contacted, agreements made, and sufficient supplies obtained. This would be more difficult if DW changed if they felt the need to upgrade any major part of the guitars.
From what I understand, there may be some guitars (or the parts) that are at the factory that were not finished. Summer NAMM or Winter NAMM may provide them the opportunity to show a few models to buyers similar to the introduction of Guild after it was moved to New Hartford. As the demise of Ovation created a number of stories in trade magazines, newspapers, etc., it can be expected that a comparison to the phoenix (rising from the ashes and renewal) would also provide high visibility.
At some time, it may be that DW needs to expand their sources than just a couple from the OFC (hopefully they already are).
I have always felt that Al should be seriously consulted as a dealer that represented Ovation, Adamas, and Hamer (production and custom), constant support of the OFC, as well as his previous writings of the industry. His previous custom/special orders (OFC Adamas slothead, Adamas OFC2, Koa 12 & 14 fret, and more) have filled observed needs.
From posts, current and archive, they could see that there is still enthusiasm and desire within the OFC (at least as to our experience with acoustic and a/e Ovations from the 70's and 80's). Beyond the OFC, dealers know their market, as well as the pressure by companies such as Fender and Gibson to stock electrics. Maybe a custom shop could make a couple of electric guitars but I do not see that as a primary line in the beginning unless it was a hybrid similar to the VXT although there is a fair amount of competition such as Godin and Taylor.
However, they need to determine what is now their current and future market (age, discretionary income, playing style, competition, etc.) that will sustain their effort. Some guitars may be sold to OFC'ers but the majority of the production needs to be sold to dealers that are able to stock and sell them.
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Location: Michigan | stephent28 , can you believe it has been 9 years since i turned the caps off  GWB |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Tony Calman - 2015-04-25 7:49 PM
I have always felt that Al should be seriously consulted as a dealer that represented Ovation, Adamas, and Hamer (production and custom), constant support of the OFC, as well as his previous writings of the industry. His previous custom/special orders (OFC Adamas slothead, Adamas OFC2, Koa 12 & 14 fret, and more) have filled observed needs.
Thank You for reminding me Tony! I recently went to the FAQ's arena and read Al's interviews and articles. I learned a great deal from them, and I wanted to Thank Al for doing them, and sharing them, so we Newbies could learn more of the business end, and understand the entire process! Very well written, great in-depth questions, and the Reader finished with a much better understanding, and allot of new information to chew on!!! Thank You Al!!
Thank You Beal too - for your time, and sharing your first hand knowledge. You have done it all with Ovation, and it is very interesting reading your perspective, and learning the business end of these Beauties. It wasn't a sales pitch, it was sharing knowledge and experience. Thank You Beal!
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Location: Seattle | Article from MMRMagazine touching on European distribution channel selection for DW drums.
http://mmrmagazine.com/91-upfront/2060-european-beat-dw-sticks-with...
"The obvious standout from the deal is the acquisition of Ovation as well as the Gretsch drum brand and sundry other percussion lines. But Drum Workshop’s VP of marketing Scott Donnell insists that the acoustic guitar range was no mere makeweight in the deal.
He told MMR: “Ovation may not be in our wheelhouse as a drum company, but we’re an instrument manufacturer first and foremost. We’ll make sure the right people are in place to take the Ovation brand to the next level. For us, it’s all about passion; a passion for the instrument and making music. I feel confident that we can channel our excitement for building drums into this new venture.
“Ovation wasn’t a prerequisite in any way. Our immediate plans are to get the company fully operational and begin designing, crafting and innovating with a new perspective. Long term, we see this as an entrée into a segment of the MI that we hadn’t occupied previously. It’s the perfect way for us to grow and reach more musicians.” |
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