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Location: Tennessee | Video killed the radio star.
I do have 5.1 sound also, with plenty of watts to all five channels plus a big powered subwoofer. And yes, it was really for movies, not listening to music. But for music? Listen to the Beatles Love in the DTS mastered version on that! Or watch Hell Freezes Over by the Eagles. Some of the stuff on Palladia is simply fantastic.
Al, I will still contend that people who "sit down and listen to music" have always been a minority. I was referencing the word "listen" in the same context you used it earlier. I concede your point that people who bought surround sound systems (mostly junk) no longer needed their stereo systems so they have disappeared from most people's homes. But those people never "listened" to music anyway, they just had a stereo system because you were supposed to have one. Every home had a stereo system ... in case people came over, you know? They had music as a background thing, like something you could dance to, or sing along to the top 10 hits. And "in the day", kids were hearing their music from transistor radios and AM. It's not a whole lot different now except that iPods and other portable music devices are better than in terms of fidelity. But there was, and still is, only a small fanatical group of audiophiles and music lovers who sit down and listen to the music. They are the ones that went and caught the audio bug. Everyone else sort of went through the passing phase and now are quite happy with their Bose Acoustic Wave system ... which in all fairness probably produces better sound than anything they had in their heyday of buying records and tapes. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | We need to go visit a college campus and see if they still sit in the dorm rooms and talk about whatever the equivalent is to cassettes vs. 8 tracks (8 tracks were for losers) woofers, tweeters, watts per channel, wow and flutter and that stuff we used to talk about. I suspect now they talk like Waskel.
I check the musicians site on our Craigslist almost daily and rarely see anything musical. They talk about screaming instead of singing. I don't know if the high school and college crowd really do listen to music. |
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Location: SoCal | For the people who really care about the total experience of listening to music, like Al, having the proper equipment is important. No argument.
But iPods are wonderful for their purpose. For me, it means no more hauling cd's out to the car to listen while driving. My library is organized and backed up online.
I like the music, but it's more what it says rather than the feel of it. Probably why I've learned a lot of tunes but never became a really good guitar player. I was always more interested in what a really good song says...... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
We need to go visit a college campus and see if they still sit in the dorm rooms and talk about whatever the equivalent is to cassettes vs. 8 tracks (8 tracks were for losers) woofers, tweeters, watts per channel, wow and flutter and that stuff we used to talk about. Wii, PS3, xBox
I also agree with Al. If you really want to experience music, you really haven't heard music until you've heard it on a high-end system.
I think the other points are simply that most people these days do not listen to music to "experience" it like they used to. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I have been shocked by some of the "meager" music collections that some of my friends have.
I was at a house party a couple weeks ago and noticed that they had a total of LESS than 50 CDs in their entire collection.
Years ago when I was building up my collection, 50 CDs would have been a good month's worth of purchases.
Now granted, I know that when I look at my CDs, LPs, Laser Discs, DVDs (and yes cassettes) that I have WAAAAYYYY TOOOOO MANY!
But LESS THAN 50!
Come on.....that's not even enough to have a decent variety of the various genres. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Wii, PS3, xBox and Facebook and Online Games…
Originally posted by stephent28:
I have been shocked by some of the "meager" music collections that some of my friends have.
I was at a house party a couple weeks ago and noticed that they had a total of LESS than 50 CDs in their entire collection. Many folks have zero CDs these days, their collections are all on their computers/iPods. |
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Location: Michigan | merry christmas everybody GWB |
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Location: NJ | Yes we did not bring in the gaming factor. My nephew has games on his phone and between texting he is constantly playing on the phone.
Bobbo I understand your point now. Listeners were a minority as opposed to folks who had a stereo because it was an equivalent to a blender the appliance of the month. much like many have run out and bought flat screens and surround sound systems because the newspapers say we have to have them.
Since I am in contact with some younger kids via my nephew I can tell you that they do talk about music but not int he ways we did. They don't scan the lp covers for clues and read and know every liner note, lyric and musician. The current music scene is a wasteland and if you are not into the pop stuff that is shoved down our throats, the lady gagas, lohans, aguilleras, etc etc you have to seek out alternatives on college radio and raid your parents and their friends record collections.
Guess what? that is EXACTLY what I did growing up. I listened to alternative radio, and read magazines and sought out alternative music some was good some sucked. the difference is now if there is one song I want I can get that (although in a highly inferior format) instead of buying a whole LP that was imported from England or Germany that cost me twice the money of a US version.
From hanging out at local coffeehouses I see many singer songwriters in their late teens early twenties and they obviously do not listen to pop music and radio so where do they get their stuff? they seek it out. One 16 year old in particular has a killer voice writes tunes that rival those twice her age and has a highly sophisticated musical palate. Where did she get it? Parents, friends, mentors, etc she sought it out. it is funny how I do some 40 year old tunes and she would come up to me and ask about it wonder who wrote it etc. That is how you learn about music.
so get your guitar go out where people are playing perform and help them get a better knowledge about music. Invite them to your home have them listen to real music on a real hi fi and you will be surprised at the amount of converts we will make |
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Location: south east Michigan | If I ever am lucky enough get out to bobbos I hope to to get a demo of his system.
I got a feeling I don't know what I've been missing.
I'll bring Live At Leeds. |
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| Haven't seen/heard Bobbo's system (yet), but T28's setup is to die for. The speakers alone ( electrostatic ) are probably worth more than my car. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Looking at it from another perspective... when we moved our daughter up to college, I was comparing the differences between what she brought and what I brought years ago. I had the humongous stereo system, with huge Criterion speakers (still sitting in my office), crates of records and a fridge. That's what every other guy on the floor had as well. Of course it was a competition as to who had the biggest and best system.
My daughter has got the ipod, the laptop and the fridge. It was much easier to move her in than it was for me all those years ago. Of course now they also have microwaves, flat screen TVs and a host of other modern conveniences.
Brad - I still have Live At Leeds on vinyl. It's one of my favorites. |
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Location: Tennessee | Bring the vinyl, Brad. But I don't have a great system; mid-fi at best. There's some folks here that have the real deal ... and it's a whole different league. It not unusual for gear-heads in the hi-fi arena to spend $50K+ on their system and engage in a constant quest to swap gear in and out in search of perfect tone. Kinda like some folks and guitars. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If you have not got a $1500 vinyl CLEANER, you're not even in the game ... |
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Location: NJ | sadly I am not in the game |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Slipkid:
If I ever am lucky enough get out to bobbos I hope to to get a demo of his system.
I got a feeling I don't know what I've been missing.
I'll bring Live At Leeds. Someday, Brad. Carry it with you everywhere just in case. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
If you have not got a $1500 vinyl CLEANER, you're not even in the game ... I think I'd have to draw the line a bit below that purchase. For that kind of cash, you can get a nice guitar and make your own music…
Between the ringing in my ears, creaking in my joints and voices in my head, I'd never hear the difference anyway… ;) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by alpep:
sadly I am not in the game I'm "half" in the game. I've got the VPI-HW17. The HW27 is the one you want but I'm not even sure you can get it for 1500.
It sounds like crazy money until you start adding up what your LP collection cost you, expecially a fair number MFSL and YSL half speed masters. They sound better when they are clean and they last longer. Remember, you're dragging a hard stylus across a soft vinyl surface over and over again. Hard for todays generation to even imagine such a thing. I spent my college years working in an "Audio Salon", so I got some price breaks. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | don't forget the rice paper sleeves for proper LP storage |
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Location: Tennessee | I still have my original discwasher from the late 70's. They still sell D4 too. So I'm set. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | still the red bottle? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | When the Fidelco record came with the OFC, I found out the stylus was broken on the old turntable. It took quite awhile to find one, since turntables then seemed to be used more for scratching records than for playing them. Then it took several attempts to figure out how to use the turntable, but I did find my discwasher and a few albums. I had forgotten those olden days. |
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| Originally posted by stonebobbo:
I still have my original discwasher from the late 70's. Still have my '60s anti-static gun, turntable LP cleaning assistant setup and the later discwasher and box, sans cleaning fluid.
You all are really taking me waaaay back! |
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Location: south east Michigan | At one time I had one of those pistol like things that you aimed at the record, squeezed the trigger slowly, and got rid of all the static stuck to the vinyl.
Thats gotta count for some kind of street cred. |
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Location: Michigan | and to all
a good night ...
its coming
ho ho ho . GWB |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I still have my original discwasher from the late 70's. They still sell D4 too. So I'm set. Ditto...and the small red brush as well... |
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Purchasing music.... the new normal?
