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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-02-20 10:14 PM (#114282 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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No BagPipes :confused:

Vic :cool:
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nonis
Posted 2007-02-20 11:03 PM (#114283 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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I always break my 3rd string... or 4th string... whatever it is. The 3rd lowest string. In standard tuning it's a D. I always break it tuning back and forth between Em and standard tuning. ):
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-02-21 8:14 AM (#114284 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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Originally posted by cruster:
Unless it makes the Potsy chord sound fuller, then I might try... :D
OK, I'll bite what's The Potsy Chord?
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-02-22 8:02 AM (#114285 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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I'm with GGG on this. I Googled it, but no help. Potsy Duncan or Potsy Webber?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-02-22 8:07 AM (#114286 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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"Happy Days"... Potsy was in the band...
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MWoody
Posted 2007-02-22 8:35 AM (#114287 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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Potsy couldn't play so the hand movements and "Potsy chords" were barely following along.

Like watching Danny Bonaduce trying to pick up Bass riffs!
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-02-22 10:30 AM (#114288 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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So, a Potsy Chord is something a non-player does to try and look as if he's playing. Gotcha.
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cliff
Posted 2007-02-22 11:02 AM (#114289 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Come to the Tour/Jam.

You'll see Moody doing aLOT of it . . .
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rick endres
Posted 2007-02-22 11:19 AM (#114290 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Original quote by Cruster: As to open tunings...I have a hard enough time with standard tuning. There's no way I'm going to attempt learning how to play with an alternate tuning.

For anyone who's interested in getting open and alternate tuning sounds without re-tuning, check out this little article about partial capoing I did for Guitarnoise.com:

http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=450

The neat thing about partial capoing is that you can use your regular finger patterns, for the most part, and play a lot of funky, open-tuned sounding chords with one or two fingers. That's about MY speed!
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-02-22 11:24 AM (#114291 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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Moody and I may have to have a Potsy-off. It sounds like my normal style. I'm big on the 2-finger G (although the Slipkid G is becoming more natural to me) and the one-finger A-form 3-string quasi-barre chords.

I also like hyphens, apparently.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-02-22 11:29 AM (#114292 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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Originally posted by rick endres:
check out this little article about partial capoing I did for Guitarnoise.com
Thanks, Ricky-Bobby. I'm going to explore that method as soon as I find the time.
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rick endres
Posted 2007-02-22 11:31 AM (#114293 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Ricky-Bobby...That's almost as good as my blues name!
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Goober
Posted 2007-02-22 11:38 AM (#114294 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Jerry Reed has a cool tuning that he occasionally uses that I had never see before:

G6 tuning

DGDEBD

It makes for nice walk downs on the third string and interesting bar chord variations.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-02-22 12:24 PM (#114295 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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I'll have to try that. I remember reading someplace, not too long ago, that the open G tuning was nice, but not too sophisticated and that people who use it usually didn't stay with it long. Obviously, the writer wasn't familiar with Reed's work.
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cliff
Posted 2007-02-22 12:25 PM (#114296 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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G6 isn't the same as Open G.

Here is a REAL good book on the subject:

Alternate Tunings

It even lists a bunch of popular songs that were written/recorded with each specific tuning . . .

(If somebody reminds me, I'll bring it to CT)
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Goober
Posted 2007-02-22 1:12 PM (#114297 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I'll have to try that. I remember reading someplace, not too long ago, that the open G tuning was nice, but not too sophisticated and that people who use it usually didn't stay with it long. Obviously, the writer wasn't familiar with Reed's work.
The reason I bought that 1773LX was to have really good axe that will STAY in G tuning most of the time. It is that critical for slack key, Reed and Atkins stuff.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-02-25 8:52 PM (#114298 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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Rick, do you happen to have a handy chart of your favorite chords for double drop E?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-02-26 5:31 AM (#114299 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Using a partial capo in the Esus configuration is deceptively simple. (Esus4 is strings 3,4 and 5 capo’d at fret 2) It’s just like having a regular capo at Fret 2 using any chords from the key of D (sounding as E) You may leave combinations of the top 2 strings open or not to get the open-tuning simulation.

It gets even more interesting as you move up the neck. Capo strings 3,4 & 5 at fret 4 playing chords from the key of C, again you have the choice to leave the top strings open or not.

Capo at Fret 5 using chords from the key of B (or Bminor) Fret 7 use chords from the key of A and Fret 9 using chords from the key of G.

With the capo in the higher positions you have the opportunity to play above and below it. It’s also possible to combine with conventional capos or other partials such as the G-band. I have a couple of song arrangements where I use 2 Shubb partials together, covering strings 3, 4 and 5, 1 at the 2nd fret and the other at the 9th. I take off the capo at the 9th halfway through the song. Gets some weird looks from the audience!
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-02-26 7:07 AM (#114300 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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That helps. I have an extra capo that I was planning to cut. So, Paul, with your Esus, I would cut out the 1,2 and 6 string positions, rather than just the 1 and 6, right?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-02-26 7:37 AM (#114301 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Correct. You can also flip that config over to cover strings 2, 3 & 4 giving you an open A effect.
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willard
Posted 2007-02-26 8:31 AM (#114302 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Here is a link to the Kyser site with some pretty good video's on using the short cut.

Kyser Video Page
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cliff
Posted 2007-02-26 11:09 AM (#114303 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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I've got one of those KyserShortCuts (ThankYouAgain, MasterTempleman) and they ARE really cool!! Especially with a LongNeck!

I find them t'be a bit more intuitive t'use than the G-Band - not to "knock" the G-bands - they're GREAT as well, - just different animals.
. . . and I readily admit to being a Bear of Very Limited MusicalBrain.

I've seen WillyPorter do the multiple partial-capo thing live . . . very cool.
At one point he moves the capo(s) around . . . mid-song.

I'm thinking about getting a new Kyser and cutting my old one down to where it'll leave strings 1 and 6 "open". That way, I can put it on the LongNeck at the second fret and effectively have DoubleDrop"D" tuning whenever I want/need it . . .
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Beal
Posted 2007-02-26 11:25 AM (#114304 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings



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That is a good move.
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rick endres
Posted 2007-02-28 11:24 AM (#114305 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Original quote by Captain Lovehandles:
Rick, do you happen to have a handy chart of your favorite chords for double drop E?


I'll see if I can get one together and e-mail it to you. Most of the time I put the partial capo on the 5th fret and play in the key of "G" using "D" based forms. I play "Take It Easy" and "Pink Houses" like that. The most common chords are:

D5: 0 0 0 2 3 0

G6: 0 2 0 0 3 0

Asus4: 0 0 2 0 3 0

Am7: 0 0 2 0 1 0

Most of these are normal chord forms. Play "Bm" and "Bm7" barre chords as you normally do. You can play regular "G" and "G5" chords as you normally do as well.

The "Esus" configuration Paul mentioned is easy and a lot of fun. I put the partial capo on the 3rd fret and the regular capo on the first fret. All the chords are one finer chords except for the "D," which uses two fingers.

Rick
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rick endres
Posted 2007-02-28 11:27 AM (#114306 - in reply to #114232)
Subject: Re: Open Tunings


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Original quote by rick endres:
The "Esus" configuration Paul mentioned is easy and a lot of fun. I put the partial capo on the 3rd fret and the regular capo on the first fret. All the chords are one finger chords except for the "D," which uses two fingers.


I meant to add that I play Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown" this way. Beats holding the barre chord through the whole song!
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