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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-03-22 3:29 PM (#112707 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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Well this puppy has my name all over it. My own tunes and a large majority of ones I listen to, mostly heavier rock, have a clean acoustic guitar somewhere along the way. When I played out, I had one amp clean the other for overdrive and I rarely played through just one. Blending a clean Wah with a separate heavy distortion from another amp is amazing. Putting the crunch through one amp, but having it's echo go out clean with a slight delay (and vs versa) are sounds I love to play and hear. Until now it seems, there was always compromise when it came to tone.

On the first video when the guy blends for full clean to full crunch... I was sold.
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Woz
Posted 2007-03-22 3:36 PM (#112708 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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Does anyone need another reason to "visit"
"The Ship" in May?

I'm sure we will hear all about it.

Woz
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cliff
Posted 2007-03-22 3:43 PM (#112709 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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". . It would make a nice Deacon! . ."

But you wouldn't have a chambered body
(unless of course, you MADE one ;-)
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an4340
Posted 2007-03-22 4:10 PM (#112710 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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I agree with Mr. Ovation, but come at it from a different angle. I see value in this from a country rock perspective, for example, doing a Johnny Cash like number like Ring of Fire, where you have an incessant acoustic rhythm and a tele chomping out a single note rythym, and then each one stepping out for a lead.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-03-22 4:23 PM (#112711 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!



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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
I had one amp clean the other for overdrive and I rarely played through just one. Blending a clean Wah with a separate heavy distortion from another amp is amazing. Putting the crunch through one amp, but having it's echo go out clean with a slight delay (and vs versa) are sounds I love to play and hear.
As much as I'd like to agree with Miles, I can't because I'm not sure I understand exactly what he is describing. I could probably figure it all out, but it would be great if, during the tour, we could have some technical sessions and demonstrations on amps, effects, and options for various sounds, much like he described.
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bauerhillboy
Posted 2007-03-22 6:29 PM (#112712 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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I"m not involved in the electric guitar world at all...so forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but isn't this what the T-5 is all about?

Would the main thing about this be that it might be less expensive?

Don't mean to ruffle any feathers. Just asking.

John <>{
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-03-22 6:35 PM (#112713 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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The main thing about the VXT is the acoustic preamp with the modeling (I'm sure I'm not using the right term here) built in it. Way beyond the T5....
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MWoody
Posted 2007-03-22 6:44 PM (#112714 - in reply to #112657)
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". It would make a nice Deacon! . ."

"But you wouldn't have a chambered body
(unless of course, you MADE one ;-)"

Father's Day is around the corner, which usually means an excuse to get more shop tools...

I applaud their efforts but no one model is going to remain on top for long. The competition must be plotting away as well.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-03-22 6:45 PM (#112715 - in reply to #112657)
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The T-5 looks like an Acoustic. Even the Hamer Duotone is focused on the acoustic sound and format with the ability to act/sound like a solidbody. The VXT seems, at least from what little info there is, to be an Electric first and foremost, with the ability to sound like an Acoustic. Price point is going to be crucial.
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wilblee
Posted 2007-03-22 7:36 PM (#112716 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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Actually, I've always thought the Carvin AE-185 trumped the T5. Two outputs - one for acoustic, one for the dual humbuckers; 24 frets; ebony (or maple or rosewood) fingerboard; choice of inlays; lighter weight; blend knob (a la VXT); choice of top woods and finishes; less than 1/2 the price. I like Ovation necks and I love the VIP which would help this one trump the Carvin, but I wish it had an ebony fingerboard and 24 frets. I'll definitely be checking this one out, though.
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-22 7:41 PM (#112717 - in reply to #112657)
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id like to see a lighter wood on the fretboard..like maple or walnut. i just dont like the looks of ebony or rosewood on most guitars...jason
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an4340
Posted 2007-03-22 7:51 PM (#112718 - in reply to #112657)
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I meant like a tic-toc rhythm. I hadn't given much thought about price point. I guess one way to look at this is what are you willing to pay for an acoustic, then how much are you willing to pay for an electric. If ovation can do it for the price of one electric or one acoustic, then I'm on it, no hesitation. As the price goes up I'm less likely to buy it, though the "performance" could induce me, until it reaches the price of one acoustic plus one electric. Then it doesn't make sense, on an economic basis. For me. Again I agree with Mr. O, it's closer to an electric with acoustic possibilities, like a Parker Nite-Fly M. I hope they can beat the price on those.
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2007-03-22 7:57 PM (#112719 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Price point is going to be crucial.
From GC:
Discussion Thread
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Response (Barry) - 03/19/2007 02:32 PM
Thank you for your recent inquiry.

We will be carrying the Ovation VXT very soon. The estimated price will be around $1,600.00. They are due to arrive about mid-April. Keep checking back with us for updates.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any more questions or concerns. We appreciate you choosing Guitar Center.

http://www.GuitarCenter.com

1-866-498-7882.
---------------------------------------------------------------


I feel kinda dirty now.....
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-22 7:58 PM (#112720 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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It's intriguing and maybe the answer for some people. I don't have any use for a one size fits all guitar, since I have lots of room for guitars and plenty of time to switch between them. My only concern with this is if it ends up being a compromise from every angle, like all-season tires, not really very good anything.
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an4340
Posted 2007-03-22 8:18 PM (#112721 - in reply to #112657)
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If I put my acoustic hat on, I'd agree it smacks of compromise, but, if I put on my electric hat, it's another kettle of fish. Depends how you look at it.

Form the electric vantage, if they're as good as the parker flys, (or hopefully better!) it's a synergy, with an increased sonic palette, which is pretty desirable. The parker's I've played go for about $1500, so it's in the ball park of the competition. The build quality on the parkers is pretty good too.

I'm not turned on by the T-5, but this may just have the mojo. Of course, the proof is in the pudding so we'll just have to see.
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gh1
Posted 2007-03-22 8:22 PM (#112722 - in reply to #112657)
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Well, if it plays like an electric, and can really get those acoustic sounds like on one of the clips i'd be very interested! There are lots of acoustic modeling channels but none of them sound as clear as that clip.

One of the big challenges i have is going from electric to acoustic guitars. I alway rip the strings right off the fretboard on the electics.
And the change in neck width is challenging for me as well.

I am really kind of excited to try one out.

I agree the body options should include some natural or mild bursts that show the grain. Anyway, pretty cool idea.

_____
gh1
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cruster
Posted 2007-03-22 9:10 PM (#112723 - in reply to #112657)
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Just as an aside, can someone tell me what the difference is between an "acoustic-electric" and an "electric-acoustic" guitar?
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MWoody
Posted 2007-03-22 9:20 PM (#112724 - in reply to #112657)
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If your dyslexic, not a denmad thing.
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Goober
Posted 2007-03-23 8:39 AM (#112725 - in reply to #112657)
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LOL!!!!
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schroeder
Posted 2007-03-23 6:32 PM (#112726 - in reply to #112657)
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Apart from the Ovation pre-amp this is the exact same spec as a duotone. But cheaper.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-03-23 7:28 PM (#112727 - in reply to #112657)
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Doesn't seem much like a Doutone to me..

http://www.thevxt.com/specs.html
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schroeder
Posted 2007-03-23 7:51 PM (#112728 - in reply to #112657)
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Carved semi-hollow mahogany body, spruce top, mahogany one-piece neck, 2 Duncan 59s, rosewood board, bridge acoustic pup. Blend control. Built-in preamp.

Barely a similarity at all.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-03-23 8:08 PM (#112729 - in reply to #112657)
Subject: Re: VXT!!


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Originally posted by schroeder:
Apart from the Ovation pre-amp this is the exact same spec as a duotone. But cheaper.
The Duotone was good in it's day but the T5 raised the bar. The major difference with VTX appears to be the VIP techology derived from the Fishman Aura for the acoustic sounds. Apparently there's going to be a sneak preveiw at Musicmesse next week. The Ovation booth is pretty close to G-band. I'll post pics if I get a chance.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-03-24 12:37 AM (#112730 - in reply to #112657)
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I guess people see different elements of a guitar, very differently. I see a wood bridge vs a metal bridge, a active eq vs modeling pre-amp, chambered vs. semi-hollow, different neck scales, and to me the only thing they have in common is they are guitars. They do share the '59 humbuckers, but with all the other differences, they are not going to sound even remotely similar.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-03-28 5:04 PM (#112731 - in reply to #112657)
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OK, I saw the VXT today at Frankfurt. VERY cool. What wasn't apparent from the pics I've seen so far is the way the back is carved to look like the contour bowl. I was busy demoing all day and missed Matt playing the VXT, but I'm going to make a point of catching him tomorrow. Rick H told me that list price is around $2500 with an expected street price of $1600. I've sent some pics to Jerome, so they should be on his website soon.
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