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Location: Pueblo West, CO | DarenSavage - 2019-03-14 10:20 PM
Here's a nostalgia pic for you. Su-27P Flanker & Su-27IB Platypus on the tarmac.  
Those parlors are looking very pretty. I'm sure they're going to sound as good as they look!
Yeah, those were pretty cool models. Sniff, sniff.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | I got the purfling glued down to both guitars. Mine has black pearl and Jonmark's has abalone. 
Purfling scraped down level with the tops. 
Binding sized and glued into place. Mine has black and Jonmark's has tortoise shell. 
I'll scrape these down tomorrow after the glue has dried. After that, I'll touch up the bowls, and then it's finishing time. (Yay!) |
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Location: When?? | Not that I know squat.. but can you instead opt to scrape the purfling AFTER you set the binding so as to match flush with both the top and the binding edge, or is the binding edge too far below the scrape level of the top?
>>>and then it's finishing time<<<
Ah yes.. my favorite stage. Eastwood 2k on these??
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Location: Muenster/Germany | WOW these are going to be wonderful guitars. If one of them would be mine I would have asked you to add an abalone purfling beside the fretboard extension, just like the Martin "45" style. Did you ever try that? |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Love O Fair - 2019-03-17 9:11 PM
Not that I know squat.. but can you instead opt to scrape the purfling AFTER you set the binding so as to match flush with both the top and the binding edge, or is the binding edge too far below the scrape level of the top?
>>>and then it's finishing time<<<
Ah yes.. my favorite stage. Eastwood 2k on these??
The zipflex purfling is only .055" tall, so that's as deep as purfling channel can be routed. I've found it's better to have the top of the zipflex as close as possible to being flush with the top to minimize how much the shell needs to be scraped.
The BWB purfling is almost twice as deep, which means that about half of the BWB is above the top. This is too tall to get a good glue joint with the binding. So, the BWB needs to be scraped down before the binding is glued.
The binding is quite a bit taller that what is needed, so I use my Stewmac binding trimmer to get them close to flush. This minimizes the amount of scraping it needs.
Whether the purfling gets scraped to level with the top before the binding is glued or after, I've done it both ways. Plain purling is glued on at the same time as the binding, so they all get scraped at the same time. The zipflex has to be glued with CA, so the gluing technique is different.
Yes, these will be finished with Eastwood 2K. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | DetlefMichel - 2019-03-18 3:17 AM
WOW these are going to be wonderful guitars. If one of them would be mine I would have asked you to add an abalone purfling beside the fretboard extension, just like the Martin "45" style. Did you ever try that?
Thanks!
I know what you're talking about, but I've never done it myself. I like how it looks, too.
If I were to try, it would have to be on a guitar with a removable neck. It would be very difficult to nearly impossible on a guitar with the neck in place, such as these.
In fact, I'm really beginning to dislike replacing the tops on guitars with the necks in place. It's hard enough with plain BWB purfling. Making the shell purfling look good at the ends added another level of difficulty. |
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Location: moline,illinois | Don't those parlors have bolt-on necks I would have thought "97 " would be bolt-on,I suppose it's a bit of a Catch-22 if you take the neck off its easier to work on the top but then you have to do a neck-reset after you get the new top finished,Beautiful work all the way around and I love the silking on the Engleman Spruce.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | 2wheeldrummer - 2019-03-18 3:43 PM
Don't those parlors have bolt-on necks I would have thought "97 " would be bolt-on,I suppose it's a bit of a Catch-22 if you take the neck off its easier to work on the top but then you have to do a neck-reset after you get the new top finished,Beautiful work all the way around and I love the silking on the Engleman Spruce.
They do not. By 82 or 83 Ovation had moved over to the bolt-on neck via the K-bar and the SMC bowl. These have the SMC bowl, but the truss-rod neck. The glue-on neck is a pain to work around when re-topping, but the TR makes for a lighter guitar.
I prefer to align the neck during the construction phase. By the time the guitar is finished, it's just a matter of attaching the neck, either by gluing or by bolting it on.
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Location: Indiana | Beautiful, Dan. Thanks for your hard work.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Thanks, Jonmark.
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Beautiful! Jonmark Stone is in for a real treat! That's some fine detail with the purfling under the neck, Dan. How did you get that in so clean? Looking forward to a smooth finish! |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | arumako - 2019-03-20 3:17 PM
Beautiful! Jonmark Stone is in for a real treat! That's some fine detail with the purfling under the neck, Dan. How did you get that in so clean? Looking forward to a smooth finish!
Thanks, Ken.
If you go back to Patch's Parlor thread there's step-by-step photos of how the shell purfling is glued into place.
Because the purfling is glued a piece at a time instead of all at once like the BWB purfling, this allows some time to fit the pieces into place before hitting them with the thin CA.
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| I mentioned to Dan it was hard to tell the difference between the abalone and black pearl binding in his earlier photos. Dan said it was because of the flash. He texted this flash-free photo. Youza!
Dueling Parlors they are! 
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Location: Muenster/Germany | The abalone has the bling that I love but the black pearl with the tortoiseshell binding surely will look more elegant...the best would be to own both of them... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Both are stunning and the binding is a perfect match for the rosette on each. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | DarenSavage - 2019-03-22 3:45 AM
I mentioned to Dan it was hard to tell the difference between the abalone and black pearl binding in his earlier photos. Dan said it was because of the flash. He texted this flash-free photo. Youza!
Dueling Parlors they are!
Yeah. From even a short distance it almost looks like my parlor doesn't even have shell purfling.
It's not until you get close and catch it when the light hits it that you can see the pearl.
Then, the black binding makes it look like it's not even there, like the top continues all the way to the edge.
I'm still getting used to looking at it. I like it, but it's really different from what I'm used to seeing on standard Ovations. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | DetlefMichel - 2019-03-22 4:59 AM
The abalone has the bling that I love but the black pearl with the tortoiseshell binding surely will look more elegant...the best would be to own both of them... The abalone does have a lot of sparkle compared to the black pearl. Interestingly, the tortoise shell binding of this thickness is almost black. Here's a couple of pics that show what I mean. You can see a few light brown spots, but mostly it's a very dark brown, almost black. 
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Mark in Boise - 2019-03-22 7:00 AM
Both are stunning and the binding is a perfect match for the rosette on each.
Thanks, Mark. I think so, too. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Both guitars' bowls are touched up, tops and necks are masked and ready for finish.
I'll be spraying the first coats in the morning. 
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | First coats of clear are on the tops.
The biggest take-away is the different personalities that are emerging. 
Jonmark's top has really strong silking, which is surprising for Adirondack spruce. The top has as much sparkle as the abalone purfling. The rosette is brighter and bolder in person than what shows in the photo. This is definitely a stage guitar. It'll be very flashy.
Because of the close grain on my top its silking is much more delicate and subtle, which fits in with the subtle nature of the rosette and purfling.
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Location: moline,illinois | Looking very awesome dan,does the difference in silking have anything to do with how old the trees are the tops came from.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | 2wheeldrummer - 2019-03-24 2:09 PM
Looking very awesome dan,does the difference in silking have anything to do with how old the trees are the tops came from.
Not really. What you're seeing is what's known as "medullary rays."
In short, these are the cells responsible for conducting sap through the cells of the tree.
These are most visible when the wood is perfectly with the grain perpendicular to the face. (quartersawn) As the cut gets more off being quartersawn, the medullary rays become less obvious.
Medullary rays are most noticeable in spruce, but are also present in other species of wood.
In the case of these two guitars, the Adi spruce has wider grain, so the medullary rays will be longer and stronger, visually. The opposite is true for the Englemann spruce. Tighter grain makes the medullary rays more delicate looking.Here's a crude diagram that shows the medullary rays. 
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Thanks, Patch & Jonmark.
BTW, this site clamps all posted images to 700 pixels wide. I usually resample them down to 1024px. So, if you want to see the full-size pics, just right-click the image, then select 'view image' from the pop-up menu. |
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