Posted 2015-05-12 3:46 PM (#510315 - in reply to #510312) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: August 2003 Posts: 396
Thanks for the info! You don't want to reissue a previously reissued model. It still looks sweet! I've never seen it, but a few folks told me that the model with the top is a waving American flag looked incredible seen in person. It looked fantastic in the pictures I've seen. Perhaps, you reissue that to broadcast the return of American Ovation. Now that sounds like part of a marketing plan! Anyone own that one?? I'm not sure how many they made.
Posted 2015-05-12 4:39 PM (#510323 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: September 2011 Posts: 402
Location: New Hartford CT
Great video link OMA. Glenn's guitar sounds magnificent. I love how he is challenging the tempo. That's how it's done. What is Glenn playing there? is it a Glenn Campbell Artist 1127-4 or a Glenn Campbell Deluxe Balladeer? Whatever it is, I want one!
Posted 2015-05-12 4:41 PM (#510324 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: August 2003 Posts: 4619
Location: SoCal
Damon's comment: "Personally, I'd like to see an original slotted reissue WITH electronics... wide and skinny nuts. You can't find one of these anywhere, or for that matter an OFC 1 or the Adamas 08c... I've been lookin. "
Problem is that I don't think the prospective buyer wants to pay the $'s that the seller paid for the a/e 1687-8 OFC.
I am using the OFC guitar as an example but it does reflect to me as an indication of how a store and/or prospective buyer would react to a high end reissue.
How many prospective buyers will pay at least $5,000 (probably more) for a reissued slothead 1687 reissue?
The OFC guitar was originally to be a mid-level cost that many OFC'ers would be able to get...we even debated whether the truss rod cover would have the OFC logo.
Only twelve OFC guitars were produced and, even though the 47RI was available, the OFC guitar was an Adamas 1687 slothead (-8 v. -2 with pre-amp v. acoustic). Other than the internal label, no indication that the individual was affiliated and/or celebrated the OFC (hard to do on a 1687 headstock).
I commend Al for all of his work to produce the OFC guitar. I was one that bought one with no regrets.
However, it was not a guitar that most OFC'ers could afford. If 50-100 OFC members couldn't afford the OFC, doubt if the general public would be able to...lots of competition in the $5,000 price range.
In 2004, the 30th Anniv CL sold for $1,700-2,400; probably the mean MAP for most of the top of the line Ovation guitars are in the similar minimum advertised price (MAP). When I saw the 2009C (Koa) at NAMM, the list price was close to $5,000 (not sure of the MAP).
Bottom line: My suggestion is to make an Ovation wood top deep bowl (center hole or Elite) that can be produced at a mid-level price that stores will stock and prospective buyers will take home.
Posted 2015-05-12 5:07 PM (#510326 - in reply to #510323) Subject: Re: Reissues
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Location: SoCal
George Frey - 2015-05-12 2:39 PM
Great video link OMA. Glenn's guitar sounds magnificent. I love how he is challenging the tempo. That's how it's done. What is Glenn playing there? is it a Glenn Campbell Artist 1127-4 or a Glenn Campbell Deluxe Balladeer? Whatever it is, I want one!
It's not a GCDB. I think it's a GC Artist. It has his initials at the 12th fret. But while the bridge looks like it's an a/c, I didn't see a jack in the rear. All of which goes to say, I can't see it clearly enough to really know.
What is interesting tho', is that around that time, he was given an A braced acoustic only Legend from Ovation, and played that for several years. He also had an acoustic only Custom Legend that he played until he got an Adamas.
For all the pushing for an acoustic electric, when he got a guitar he really liked, he'd play w/o a pickup in it and just make it work.
Posted 2015-05-12 6:11 PM (#510333 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6994
Location: Jet City
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. My opinion is there's a billion Custom Legends on the used market, I don't necessarily need to buy a reissue. There are zero slot heads out there... time to build more.
AJ's 47ri was on the market for minutes before Mike snagged it. There's a beautiful Custom Legend that was redone in every way by the mothership on our for sale board... still there after several weeks.
Posted 2015-05-12 6:48 PM (#510339 - in reply to #510334) Subject: Re: Reissues
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xraiderman - 2015-05-12 4:34 PM the street price of the used market is a challenge when it comes to the idea of reissues.
Agreed. You gotta make what isn't out there. Very few Campbell Artists, so there's a good option, folklores and artists are pretty rare too, another return of those isn't bad. Even the LX ones of those were hard to come by.
And not to beat a dead horse on the slothead thing, but the asking or 'street' price of that USED Adamas 47ri was $5k, and being that it sold so quick, it probably should have been priced higher. I'd love to find one like that with electronics (or cutaway like the 08c) for the same.
Posted 2015-05-12 7:00 PM (#510340 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: April 2015 Posts: 81
I don't want a committee to design a guitar, that never works, however when you ask allot of questions it helps formulate opinions. I like Damon67's comment because there is allot of used gear out there. I'm looking for comments about parlor sized guitars, gypsy jazz, maybe a graphite Adamas guitars.
Maybe all ADAMAS bowls should be hand made or graphite as part of the brand promise. I'm not sure why I have a spruce top Adamas in my office. It doesn't make sense to me.
Posted 2015-05-12 7:29 PM (#510343 - in reply to #510276) Subject: Re: Reissues
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Location: moline,illinois
damon67 - 2015-05-12 10:22 AM
The WTA has a suspension ring doesn't it?
All the wood Top Adamii i've seen online have suspension rings,otherwise it would just be an elite right?
To me to be an Adamas it has to have a carbom fiber top.
Posted 2015-05-12 7:37 PM (#510345 - in reply to #510340) Subject: Re: Reissues
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Location: moline,illinois
xraiderman - 2015-05-12 7:00 PM
Maybe all ADAMAS bowls should be hand made or graphite as part of the brand promise. I'm not sure why I have a spruce top Adamas in my office. It doesn't make sense to me.
Posted 2015-05-12 7:55 PM (#510348 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: August 2002 Posts: 8307
Location: Tennessee
Do a recreation of the Q then (which wasn't really ever issued). A contour bowl on that guitar would be amazing (to me anyway). Imagine that sweep up the back right into the neck. Wowser. That would put Adamas back in the limelight for a bit if you can get the sound right. The couple of original Qs I've seen and played were very good guitars and uber cool.
Posted 2015-05-12 8:14 PM (#510354 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
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Location: Tennessee
Lexus couldn't live on just the LS400. Lots of Toyotas now get dolled up and become Lexii. Adamas ought to represent the hand crafted top end of the Kaman's original innovations. The Ovation name got diluted over time as the import segment took over so why not have an Adamas wood top. The current WTA is a helluva lot more Adamas than Ovation these days. Including the $5,299 list price. Every Adamas is part wood top anyway, except the Q.
Posted 2015-05-12 8:37 PM (#510358 - in reply to #510207) Subject: Re: Reissues
Joined: August 2003 Posts: 4619
Location: SoCal
Damon67, in reference to a Custom Legend: "There's a beautiful Custom Legend that was redone in every way by the mothership on our for sale board... still there after several weeks.
If referring to a listing by quietmouse, it is a white super shallow bowl w/OP-20. Rare but you either like the white and SSB or not. I have bought the deep bowl and either natural or dark sunburst in 6 and 12 strings.
I tried a couple of SSB (6 and 12-string). Not counting the parlor, only Ovations/Adamas that I have that aren't deep/contour bowls are a couple of the Country Artists and a 1984C.
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