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Location: SoCal | I am all for screaming without an amplifier needed. Unique, innovated, quality, acoustic or a/e to me is a U.S. made Ovation.
In addition to screaming, the models need to separate U.S. production from off-shore models at 1st glance.
If and when the Ovation arises like the myth of the Phoenix with stable production and good penetration in the market, possible that an electric that plays well and looks like an Ovation could be considered...at least it would have space on the wall of electrics in a store. Not advocating the Viper, Breadwinner, GS, GP, Storm series, etc., although I have some of them but I feel it would diminish an initial updated product line. Just understanding some on the board are electric advocates and IMHO there have been little improvements from guitars by major companies...it seems Gibson (Les Paul and 335), Fender (Strat), Gretsch (Chet Atkins), etc., are content to reissue guitars while off-shore floods us with knock offs.
It will be interesting how the current (last decade) line of Ovations can scream other than changing the 'yuck' newest logo. I will await others that effort. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | I still like the suggestion of creating a NEW Model and naming it The Phoenix!
Teens and adults alike love the lore and meaning of the Phoenix, and in essence, that's exactly what DW is going to do with Ovation.
It could be made similar to what used to be made in the acoustic line, so that the existing equipment could be used to create it, but different enough to show the Phoenix rising from the ashes with new plumes and renewed vigor. I wax poetic, but it would appeal to a large demographic, save time and money by using existing resources, but have that "New" look. (Nothing sparkly though please, unless it is red...  . )
Addendum - new thought ( I know, jot the date down...) on the Ovation Facebook page, there is a white guitar with light sparkles on the white background. Everyone commenting loved it! What if the new guitar was natural wood, but with the lightest clear coat with minimal very small glitter on it. There is nothing like that out there, and if it was done tastefully, would not be obnoxious, but would really catch the eye and attention. The Adamas' have glitter on them, and they look Fantastic!
I need to go to bed, I am coming up with stranger things all the time, too much sun today...
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The best 335 made today is the Collings SoCo16LC. I got mine with a 1 3/4 nut, big surprise. My I35 should be done in a few weeks. Then the two I have with 1 11/16 will be for sale
Yeah, a legend/custom legend cutaway something would probably work, maybe something to honor Glen? With a big nut option even though not everyone likes them. I tried to figure out an easier way to say that but not very hard or long. |
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Location: SoCal | I think the 'big nut' 1 3/4 would be fine for most.
I am aware that the neck was advertised as an easy transition for electric players but I don't know if the standard neck is necessary.
I also feel that the fact that Ovation has a reputation for finish cracks should be addressed whether by marketing, design (finish, bowl, bracing, etc.). |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Finish cracks were back in re 70s I thought
I think Phoenix has been used multiple times in the industry. How about Phuckner? Just a thought... |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | My '82 Legend developed finish cracks (low humidity, not a problem any more). I think the Legend screams Ovation. I also like the original idea of trying to keep the price under $2,500, but it needs to stand out from old Ovations and be clearly not an Asian-made guitar. Re-do the flag Legend?
I was going to say that would say "US-made" but then I think of all the Chinese made Australian flags that are sold for Australia Day. |
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Yeah, a legend/custom legend cutaway something would probably work, maybe something to honor Glen? With a big nut option even though not everyone likes them. I tried to figure out an easier way to say that but not very hard or long.
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Location: SoCal | re Bill: Finish cracks were back in re 70s I thought
I think Phoenix has been used multiple times in the industry. How about Phuckner? Just a thought...
Well, Budny and crew are having to repair a number. Phuckner, I have the visualization of a single finger on the headstock  |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Tony Calman - 2015-04-28 11:57 PM
Well, Budny and crew are having to repair a number. Phuckner, I have the visualization of a single finger on the headstock
LMBO!!!!!! Now THAT would stand out across the room! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
(My apologies for the embarrassing glitter post, I need to ban myself from typing once I start getting tired!
I would love to see the Edit button not be timed, it could save some mental anguish and embarrassment! ) |
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Location: SoCal | Just watched a Facebook page showing the D'Addario Clip-On Headstock Tuner...made me think (dangerous without coffee).
Granted, some of our pre-amps have tuners but has anyone had to fiddle with a Clip-On Headstock Tuner barely able to make contact with the headstock (due to the 'paddle' headstock)?
In addition, sometimes the 'wing' or 'ear' gets broken. Expensive repair and often easy to see that a repair was done (at least when looking at the back of the neck).
I have a 97C, non gloss that was delivered without this disclosure. Fortunately, oiled finish v. gloss on the neck so I could take the other side off...a little sanding and oil to even it off, no problem as oil matches the finish on the rest of the neck. In fact I have shown the guitar to a couple of OFC'ers and they didn't notice the change to the headstock.
Maybe the headstock needs to be considered (possibly smaller 'wings' or not at all but leaving the curved top), as well as changing the newest logo.
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Location: SoCal | Clip it on to a tuning button. Works real well...... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I have a Snark and it works fine. I just have to put it on the side a little. I'll have to try the tuner button. I also just got a Korg, but haven't tried it yet. No way I'd go for changing the iconic headstock. That's been the one thing that made the Ovation stand out from across the music store or from the audience. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I agree, Mark! I have never had any trouble clipping my Snark onto the peghead. That peghead design IS Ovation and should never be changed!! And besides, if people think they might have trouble clipping a tuner on they will be more likely to buy one with a built-in tuner. (Not that I've ever found a built-in tuner that was as accurate as a Snark.)
Hmmm...maybe DW can work out some kind of deal with Snark and have them make a built-in Snark, solely for Ovations. |
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Location: SoCal | How about including the male portion of Dunlop strap locks so we don't have to buy a set to use... |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | CanterburyStrings - 2015-04-29 3:01 PM
I agree, Mark! I have never had any trouble clipping my Snark onto the peghead. That peghead design IS Ovation and should never be changed!! And besides, if people think they might have trouble clipping a tuner on they will be more likely to buy one with a built-in tuner. (Not that I've ever found a built-in tuner that was as accurate as a Snark.)
Hmmm...maybe DW can work out some kind of deal with Snark and have them make a built-in Snark, solely for Ovations.
I Love my Snark too! I tested it against the built in tuner on the C2079AX the other day, I tuned the strings with the Snark (it is fun to say too!), and then tested them with the built in tuner. At least on that guitar, it was right on the money. But I know that is not always the case either. A built in Snark would be Great! Great Idea CS!! |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Tony Calman - 2015-04-30 8:39 AM
How about including the male portion of Dunlop strap locks so we don't have to buy a set to use...
What a simple and cheap way to increase customer satisfaction! |
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Location: NJ | so far I have not taken one deposit...... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Talk is cheap, who is really willing to buy? Probably in the 2-3000 range? (Hey I have no inside line to DW, I'm just making an educated guess but what do I know? I just used to run a gas station for airplanes) |
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Location: Tennessee | I'm ready and willing. Al, I'll send a deposit check. Let me know how much.
I figured it would need to be around $2500. That's what a new D18 sells for on the street, so I figured a modest US Ovation would need to be that much, especially considering a woodtop Ovation is still listed on the Ovation website at over five large.
FWIW, the guitar that people seem to be spec'ing out sounds a lot like my JL3.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | cwk2 - 2015-04-29 8:08 PM
Talk is cheap, who is really willing to buy? Probably in the 2-3000 range? (Hey I have no inside line to DW, I'm just making an educated guess but what do I know? I just used to run a gas station for airplanes)
Can we get an *approximate* time frame for ordering/deposit collection, so we can try to get the money together? My disposable income depends on selling some of my other Collection. I do not want to commit if I can't get the money together in time, a pre-order commitment date, would be really nice.
And.... Did you raise the prices of airplanes gas on weekends and holidays like they do for cars????
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Location: SoCal | Well, it would be nice to know if we would be buying a 2x4 with two p/u's attached by wood screws or an actual guitar. Course, it is recognized that what, if, and when a limited run could even be ordered is yet to be determined.
After all, DW is not going through all of the work bringing Ovation back just for a limited run for us...their primary goal is to create guitars that result in orders from dealers and subsequent sales resulting in more orders. I had previously projected about $2,500 but Beal's $2,000-3,000 probably gives a little leeway.
This discussion is positive and fun even if it appears to be crazy by crazies. If someone shifted through it, there are probably a few good ideas. Course, it is possible that someone could start to understand that whatever the product, not everyone can afford it or completely agree with the final guitar.
As we did for the OFC 1 and 2, we had to have faith that Al would be able to deliver a remarkable guitar which he did. I am sure he will let us know when it is the right time for DW, what it will be, when he has to make a commitment, and when he needs a deposit to show our commitment (as well as the size of the order).
The fact that he still has a couple of Koa slotheads [2078LXFKOA-OSG] from 2006-2007 is hard to understand. Maybe if the model number was shorter he would have sold them by now. Sad that he had to carry the cost for eight years.
I say keep any and all comments coming...there will probably be some good ideas under all of the bird poop.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | My most expensive guitar was around $1600. An Adamas.
I have some extremely nice Ovations that cost in the $400 - $600 range...
So I doubt that I will be shelling-out $2K-$3K for any guitar... (period)
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Prices were never raise I weekends everyone was given the discount they earned. Except buffet he came in for a demo spoo raiser and got Charged full retail for his 700 gallons. he probably should have got a ,40% off the list price but since he was a demo speaking at the airport to my employees he needed special treatment,so being the boss it fell time to give it to him. Somebody had to...
I still never like his tunes
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Location: Tennessee | It seems as if your voice to text genie has been drinking tonight, Beal.
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