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Location: Da Windy City | CanterburyStrings - 2013-09-12 6:47 PM
Yep. I'm thinking you are either trolling for an argument or perhaps your hearing isn't very good.
Or are you my man?
Are you the one willing to make the bet?
Because I'm hearing a lot of hard talk and big assertions from a couple guys who should be running as fast as they can to take this bet, should their 'beliefs' be valid.... yet they aren't.
They never do. They're over in the corner with the ghost hunters, hollering their beliefs as loudly as possible yet decimated by a simple proposal to demonstrate them under valid testing conditions.
That's the point.
(but if you are, send me that PM. Squealing and whinging 'troll' does nothing to support your beliefs, nor negate a single thing I've said)
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Looks like we don't need to prove you're a troll. You're doing all the heavy lifting for us.
Luckily for both of us, my beliefs don't require your participation.
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Location: Da Windy City | Waskel@Work - 2013-09-12 7:18 PM
Looks like we don't need to prove you're a troll. You're doing all the heavy lifting for us.
Luckily for both of us, my beliefs don't require your participation.
How is what I'm saying 'trolling'?
I mean, you can keep chanting that as a mantra, but it eventually arrives at a point when you have to explain why its so (wait... I forgot who I'm dealing with. We can just believe whatever we want regardless of what's true)
You're absolutely correct, though.
You can 'believe' whatever you want. It doesn't mean your beliefs aren't utterly stupid, but you're free to believe them as you please. Just don't be surprised if you openly believe dumb things- or if you base your beliefs on incredibly tenuous logic- when people come along to point it out (and yes, they will judge your intelligence because of it) ... but good thing YOU DON'T CARE!, amirite???
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Ah.....Mr Guitar
The proper word is spoo, ....not poo
Don't get into it with Canterbury, she's probably forgotten more about Ovations than most of the members have learned during their tenure here.
Brad is not a cork sniffer, every time I've been with him it was a screw top, of course, several of those times it was a mason jar.....just sayin.
You know guys, this is gettin to be fun, almost like the old days. Of course, if we have too much fun it will be shut down, just like the old days.
Now as for the imports, some are really good. The issue I have is that a $300 guitar always feels like a $300 piece of spoo (note the proper useage of the word) and a $3000 guitar feels much better. They should sound better too but we know sound is subjective and often people hear with their eyes, especially when looking at the price tag. Anyway, you are a diehard Ovie so you already know all this.
So, now that you've started posting after lurking for two years, welcome.
I never knew Waskel to exhibit primate tendencies but I'll keep an eye out for that.
Now what else do we need investigated? Where is Moody anyway?
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Location: Da Windy City | Feel is definitely a credible reason for picking an instrument.
It's qualitative, but valid. Sometimes, they just don't feel right...
Of course, it's amazing how much a blindfold impacts 'feel', too...
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Location: closely held secret | Guitar - 2013-09-12 5:20 PMHow is what I'm saying 'trolling'?
I mean, you can keep chanting that as a mantra, but it eventually arrives at a point when you have to explain why its so (wait... I forgot who I'm dealing with. We can just believe whatever we want regardless of what's true )
You're absolutely correct, though.
You can 'believe' whatever you want. It doesn't mean your beliefs aren't utterly stupid, but you're free to believe them as you please. Just don't be surprised if you openly believe dumb things- or if you base your beliefs on incredibly tenuous logic- when people come along to point it out (and yes, they will judge your intelligence because of it ) ... but good thing YOU DON'T CARE!, amirite???
Actually, no, I really don't care what you think. Why would I? You've waited so long to post, and here you've proven yourself in fewer than a dozen posts to be a totally arrogant, condescending assclown. That's very sad, but it's ok, you're free to do that.
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Location: Utah | Yeah Beal, you better run for the swamps. After all, you wouldn't know anything about them plastic geetars...
My ears are shot. Too many years of flying noisy airplanes and playing loud guitars, plus probably some genetics aren't helping things. But, I can sure tell a Celeb from an AX from a USA by feel and by sight. As an older guy in my 50's I have earned the luxury of affording a few really nice instruments, and dammit they are a pleasure to play. They are far better instruments than I am a musician, no question there. I can hear the difference between a '07C, one of the very best wood topped O's I ever heard or owned, and an Adamas or an old 1970's round hole Patriot or an '05 LX Elite.
A fine instrument is a sensual delight.
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Location: Suisun City, Ca | FlySig - 2013-09-12 8:27 PM A fine instrument is a sensual delight. Ovation guitars are nice, too. 
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Location: Da Windy City | It would be interesting if Bill Gates claimed something about what Windows was capable of doing but when TechCrunch published an article that said 'What Bill Gates says is not true. It cannot be proven and we will donate five figures to his favorite charity if he can step up and demonstrate it to be so', I wonder if Bill Gates would just keep quietly chanting mantras to himself, or if he would demonstrate that what he said is indeed correct? |
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Location: Tennessee | I'll take up your challenge.
I'll put up #49, a 1537, and my 1651 JL3. You put up any 6 $300 -AX series guitars you can buy at Guitar Center. We'll record them all completely dry and flat and then do the test. Not only will i get most of them right, there's no doubt in my mind that I'll pick my three out. I'm sure there's more than a few others here that will also want to get in on this. We could raise a LOT of money for charity.
Contact Mark in Boise here on the board (he's a lawyer) and send him the $10K and have him put in trust. When he tells me he has the money, he'll contact me and we'll move forward.
BTW, my favorite charity is Wounded Warriors. They do great work. They're going to be very happy.
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Location: Michigan | meet me at the bike racks after school and we will finish our business then. great thread just like the ole days keep em coming.
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Location: Da Windy City | stonebobbo - 2013-09-12 10:15 PM
I'll take up your challenge.
1) I will determine the criteria, not you. I also determine the instruments. No interest in elaborate, bullshit criteria. You think you can 'ear' the difference between a US made Ovation and a Non US Made and are willing to bet on that? Here's your chance.
2) It's a wager, not a 'pledge' or a 'challenge'. I don't have time to run around indulging dumbasses who will simply shrug their shoulders when the results are in and come up with dumb excuses about how they normally can hear it just fine but they had an earache last week, so that must explain why it didn't work this time. You have the same amount of skin in the game that I do and to weed out the morons, it's not an insignificant amount of skin.
3) You, the test and the cash going to the winning party will be recorded and published on http://www.CorkSniffers.com when it goes live.
You seemed to have totally misunderstood the criteria thinking "eh, its free, I'll give it a go!" but if we're clear that this requires us both to post the wager in advance, shoot me a PM and we can get the details underway. No need for escrow. I travel, will bring cash and am not worried about the outcome. We're working on a list of 'money where their mouth is' guys as we speak, all across the guitar world. You want to represent Ovations and bet you can 'ear' American from Non American Ovations, great. It's a date. Congrats, you'd be the first one. So far, everyone else has buckled when go time comes. A few that take it right up to the edge of following through, then excuse themselves with one bullshit pretext or another, one "I Can Hear The Difference Between a Rosewood and Maple Fretboard" guy took it all the way but simply didn't show up for the test and wouldn't answer our calls (it's some funny video, I promise  ) I'm pretty sure that in time, though, we'll be able to get enough people to actually follow through.
Delusions can run deep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
I'm actually in NorCal from time to time so if you're anywhere near the Bay Area, I have no problem offering home field advantage. Anyway, send me that PM.
Looking forward to it.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Hey now...
Guitar brought Beal and Waskel, Bobbo and Bob G. MIB and GWB, FlySig and Allison, AstroDan and Al, outta the woodwork.
Good work! Say something else really stupid and wake-up some more Old Farts. 
We could be rolling around to get members from the other hemisphere too.
As well as the early morning MotherShip crew.
(forgive me if I missed anybody... But y'all are invited to vent your piece)
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Location: Da Windy City | arthurseery - 2013-09-12 10:34 PM
Say something else really stupid
What have I said thus far that was 'really stupid'?
So far, we have two guys who ran their mouths then scurried off when a wager was proposed, and a guy who most likely completely misread what was happening here and thought it was a free-to-play game (and now that he realizes it's not, well, lets just see what happens...).
I'd say the context clues suggest I'm not the one who's saying 'stupid stuff' here. Stupid people willing to bet on stupid ideas have an endless stream of takers willing to assist them in going broke yet you're 0-3 so far.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I betchya ain't got a pot to piss in.... Hows that for a bet.
Oh yeah... there is an ignore button.
Silly me, I haven't had to use it in years.
Just like the goo-dole-daze.
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Location: Da Windy City | arthurseery - 2013-09-12 10:54 PM
I betchya ain't got a pot to piss in.... Hows that for a bet.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Waskel@Work - 2013-09-12 2:01 PM
Mark in Boise - 2013-09-12 10:32 AM
Waskel reappears for a quick jab. I would never have guessed lawyer.
Nothing personal, Mark. But you know that...
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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia | arthurseery - 2013-09-13 1:34 PM
Hey now...
We could be rolling around to get members from the other hemisphere too.
Sorry OMA, I don't want to waste any effort on the wanker.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Ovation makes a nice mid pried guitar. To some mid price is $300. To some its $1500. To others its $3500. Wherever you are on that scale ovation has a guitar for you if thats what you choose to buy. Of couse there are many other choices out there.
After all the posturing, name calling, baiting, and wagering it is far more often true than not that "you get what you pay for for". Exceptions exist but generally not many.
Going back to the original post, there is a reason the guitar in question sells for $300. And I doubt that it's because it sounds and plays as well as a similar USA model. I could be wrong but probably not.
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Location: Da Windy City | Standingovation - 2013-09-12 11:39 PM
Going back to the original post, there is a reason the guitar in question sells for $300.
Yeah. Because I can hop on Ali Baba and hire a Chinese Factory to make it for 1/8th the cost of what an American factory would pay make the *exact* same thing.
Take an Asian made Ovation into Ovation USA and ask them what it would would retail be if they made that exact guitar here in the US, it would miraculously line up with what retail happens to be on USA Ovations.
I realize not everyone understands global market dynamics- and some companies are pretty sharp in ensuring that their overseas imports are built to a slightly lower spec while the US models get the 'superfluous attention to irrelevant detail' treatment that doesn't translate into a better sounding guitar, but creates the 'high priced option' that is a marketing requirement, since a portion of your buyers will always demand to pay more for the sense that they're getting something better.
"The Japanese will never make a better car than Ford... Ever. The Japs make junk, always have, always will... B'sides, they cost less and you get what you pay for. No gettin' around that!" - A common saying around car manufacturers back during the years when Ovations were at their height of popularity.
Oops.
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Location: Da Windy City | But, we're going in circles now.
Criteria are above. Anyone wants to step up and take it, the PM button is right over there <--
Otherwise, I don't have much interest in pursing this discussion any further (unless someone comes along and just insists we do )
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