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Location: Northwest Arkansas | All I'm saying and meant to say is...wait for it. I love American made stuff. I just cannot afford it. I'm getting my 2079AX at COST! I couldn't even afford it new. I just got upset because of all the hating on stuff most haven't played. I do try to buy American. I was a Ford guy till they cost too much to buy. I love OFC every bit as much as you all. I also understand the frustration of jobs moving out of America. I spent my last year of my job drawing unemployment. I have a disability which limits my job prospects. So I'm on SS disability. I would LOVE to be able to afford an LX. Just got the next best thing. I have a Takamine and I wouldn't take twice what I gave for it. I know some of you are the same. I do have a sense of humor and I love the banter on here. That's why I've been a member for 4+ years. I get great advice. Help from Al, Mr. O, Kim and lots of others too numerous to mention. Sorry for the outburst. I guess I was just feelin' sorry for myself. It won't happen again. Keep up the great work. |
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Location: Massachusetts | Getting back to Old Man Arthur's original post. It its confusing by putting the regular Ovation models/numbers and names on the imported product. Gibson uses the Epiohone brand for their imports and G&L uses the Tribute band to let the consumer be aware that it's not a USA product. If you check the Fender guitars you have to look for the country of origin on the headstock to see if it's USA made because they have the same model names as the original USA models as they do on the imports. |
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aaronharmon - 2012-04-25 6:40 AM
So which Ovations are still made in the U.S. and why in the hell are they trying to confuse us by keeping US model numbers/names on them? I recently read that an Elite T was an Import and was pretty surprised.
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Location: Ohio | arthurseery - 2012-04-27 3:03 AM
Uh, This is Aaron's original thread... I just quoted him.
aaronharmon - 2012-04-25 6:40 AM
So which Ovations are still made in the U.S. and why in the hell are they trying to confuse us by keeping US model numbers/names on them? I recently read that an Elite T was an Import and was pretty surprised.
Just wanna give credit where credit is due.
Oh ***, not sure I want the credit at this point : ) |
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Location: Ohio | mymartind35 - 2012-04-26 11:20 PM
All I'm saying and meant to say is...wait for it. I love American made stuff. I just cannot afford it. I'm getting my 2079AX at COST! I couldn't even afford it new. I just got upset because of all the hating on stuff most haven't played. I do try to buy American. I was a Ford guy till they cost too much to buy. I love OFC every bit as much as you all. I also understand the frustration of jobs moving out of America. I spent my last year of my job drawing unemployment. I have a disability which limits my job prospects. So I'm on SS disability. I would LOVE to be able to afford an LX. Just got the next best thing. I have a Takamine and I wouldn't take twice what I gave for it. I know some of you are the same. I do have a sense of humor and I love the banter on here. That's why I've been a member for 4+ years. I get great advice. Help from Al, Mr. O, Kim and lots of others too numerous to mention. Sorry for the outburst. I guess I was just feelin' sorry for myself. It won't happen again. Keep up the great work.
It's all good man. to be honest I was suppressed when I came back to this thread and saw how heated it had become.
I much perfer that they handle it like Gibson ie all Ovations elites or better are made in the U.S. Applause and Celebrity models are made overseas. It just makes buying that much easier. I have been looking at MM68 Mandolins that’s how I discovered all this. It definitely adds confusion to the mix especially when sellers list their item as MM68 and forget to add the AX or whatever. Maybe its done to confuse buyers maybe its done out of ignorance, it doesn’t matter. The point is it's confusing. I am an Ovation Fan. I have 4 Ovations an Adamas and an Ovation Ukulele and I didn't know about this. Granted there has been a bit of a dry spell in the guitar buying department, I am recently married and back in school so I understand financial concerns. I'm certainly not posing for pictures in front of my Porsche. In fact I have a 10 year old Jeep Wrangler that was manufactured about 15 miles from my house. It's my second Wrangler, and as long as they keep building them in Toledo Ohio, my next vehicle will be a Jeep Wrangler as well. There is a direct and immediate effect on our economy when we buy locally. There is also a direct if not protracted effect when we buy imports.
Capitalism is the world’s only true democracy. Every dollar you spend is a vote for either foreign or domestic labor. I promise that these big companies will listen if enough people vote with their wallets.
That said, I realize that you can get a lot of “bang for your buck” when you buy an import. I have nothing against them. I just choose not to vote for foreign labor.
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I'm certainly not posing for pictures in front of my Porsche.
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Location: Utah | aaronharmon - 2012-04-27 6:22 AM
There is a direct and immediate effect on our economy when we buy locally. There is also a direct if not protracted effect when we buy imports.
Capitalism is the world’s only true democracy. Every dollar you spend is a vote for either foreign or domestic labor. I promise that these big companies will listen if enough people vote with their wallets.
That said, I realize that you can get a lot of “bang for your buck” when you buy an import. I have nothing against them. I just choose not to vote for foreign labor.
There is a hidden cost in buying an import which is the latent loss of jobs and the export of cash which never comes back. I have no idea how to calculate it, but I believe we are seeing the effect right now in the unemployment numbers and the exodus of manufacturing over the past few decades. So for me, the 'bang for the buck' of an import is not nearly what it might appear based on only the purchase price.
I am not categorically against imports, and I would rather someone buy an import Ovation than an import other brand of guitar.
When the weather gets better I would be happy to take a guitar picture in front of my porch. 
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Location: Ohio | FlySig - 2012-04-27 9:03 AM
aaronharmon - 2012-04-27 6:22 AM
There is a direct and immediate effect on our economy when we buy locally. There is also a direct if not protracted effect when we buy imports.
Capitalism is the world’s only true democracy. Every dollar you spend is a vote for either foreign or domestic labor. I promise that these big companies will listen if enough people vote with their wallets.
That said, I realize that you can get a lot of “bang for your buck” when you buy an import. I have nothing against them. I just choose not to vote for foreign labor.
There is a hidden cost in buying an import which is the latent loss of jobs and the export of cash which never comes back. I have no idea how to calculate it, but I believe we are seeing the effect right now in the unemployment numbers and the exodus of manufacturing over the past few decades. So for me, the 'bang for the buck' of an import is not nearly what it might appear based on only the purchase price.
I am not categorically against imports, and I would rather someone buy an import Ovation than an import other brand of guitar.
When the weather gets better I would be happy to take a guitar picture in front of my porch.
I agree with you 100%. We are shooting ourselves in the foot. It's all short term gains with huge long term costs. It is so sad to see. We cannot sustain ourselves as a nation of service industries. Without manufacturing we are nothing. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Just a warning that POLITICS is a forbidden subject on this board.... However, global economics is fun.
I suggest checking the History books. Manufacturing moves around the world. It helps countries grow and become part of the "modern" world. When foreign companies (any foreign, not just non-USA company) starts manufacturing goods in another country, it means two things to that other country. They finally hit bottom and now look like an investment, and they will come back stronger than they ever were.
While the press doesn't like to dwell on it cause fuzzy stories don't make headlines... Manufacturing IS coming to the USA again. It's starting with some foreign Companies like Honda and VW, and others like a couple of the car companies in Detroit are now making cars again in Detroit.
Even on a smaller scale, such as swag... A couple of years ago getting USA Made ball cap with embroidery meant paying a lot of money for a piece of crap. Now you can get a decent Cap that is made Overseas, but it's actually cheaper now to get it embroidered in the USA. For those that were never in the Military or otherwise traveled in southeast Asia, THIS IS HUGE!!! In the 70's and 80's there were people on the street that could embroider entire jackets with the names of your Commands while you watched. They could embroider your signature almost as fast as some people can write it for just a couple of cents. And NOW it's cheaper to get things embroidered in the USA. Yes, it's small, but it means for us in the USA that things are going in a good direction.
Here's another more close to home.....
In the 80's I might have asked how many Luthier's and boutique guitar effects manufacturers are there in the USA and there were a handful. Now there are probably 15 to 20 just in the Seattle area !!!! Everything from hand-wound pickups to fantastic Acoustic guitars to amazing effects pedals.
Again... it's baby steps... but really look around. We are at the beginning of a new age. And YES, maybe the Mayan's did get it right. The "end" of an age also means the beginning of a new one. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Just imagine how this conversation plays to the XX,XXX OFC members who DON'T live in the Excited States of America.....
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Location: NJ | well as far as I can tell the customers I have want guitars built in the usa and they are from france england canada germany italy norway sweden japan china indonesia malaysia chile argentina switzerland and a bunch more I just am forgetting at the moment |
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Location: Ohio | Standingovation - 2012-04-28 9:16 PM
Does anyone really care what somebody else chooses to buy? FTFF
No. This topic just derailed a bit. If you read the whole thread you'll see it. |
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I totally missed this news
