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| Man, I need to check the board more often. At the risk of feeding this troll with another comment, like I said in another post you guys are just giving this attention whore exactly what he wants. He's just trying to stir up trouble, and everybody's acting just like that slug Caravan said - like shooting fish in a barrel. Ignore 'em and they'll go someplace else. I didn't bother to read the original post. I wouldn't wanna give the idiot the satisfaction. |
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Location: Newington, CT | This now condenses down to one thing for me: those who participate ought to TRY to contribute substantively on at least a somewhat regular basis.
Yes, absolutely, the occasional barb or put down or inside joke to spice it up; but if that's ALL the member does, then he ought to go away. This forum DOES have a point. To paraphrase: It's about Ovation guitars and music.
Personally, I have learned a lot from those more knowledgeable than I, and I VERY much appreciate that. I hope that I have contributed some thought-provoking or informative posts in return. I have tried to.
At this point, I simply don't know the people on this forum well enough to toss barbs, so I don't. In this sense, I know my place. I gather that most of the people in this thread don't know who TUS actually is. I know I don't. If the barbs he tosses are inside jokes, then they fall flat for the vast majority of us.
There ARE some people who can, and even should toss such barbs...to keep those who take themselves too seriously honest. We all know who they are...and they ALSO contribute loads of insightful, incisive, informative stuff. How much poorer would this forum be without Beal, Iffy, Patch, Gallerinski, and many more?
Beggin's point is well-made: if someone's ONLY contributions are negative, or pointless, or gratuitously insulting, then get rid of 'em.
There IS a place for such postings, but it's not here. It's a bit like signing up for a course in geography and finding out that Don Rickles takes up considerable time each class telling you how to do put-downs. Maybe you DO want to learn that, but just not while you're trying to learn geography.
TUS: post some music, talk about guitars, ask some questions, review a guitar or two...do SOMETHING that furthers the mission of this forum. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by G8r:
Man, I need to check the board more often. At the risk of feeding this troll with another comment, like I said in another post you guys are just giving this attention whore exactly what he wants. He's just trying to stir up trouble, and everybody's acting just like that slug Caravan said - like shooting fish in a barrel. Ignore 'em and they'll go someplace else. I didn't bother to read the original post. I wouldn't wanna give the idiot the satisfaction. Darn, G8r! You might be right too! Maybe we ARE overthinking this! |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Y'all know that I am incapable of OVERthinking. :D |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I come to this forum for one thing only - entertainment.
The very first thing I look for are posts by caravan or Suspect because they are witty as hell and you never know what's coming next. If you think the posts are irreverent, crude and hurtful you ought to be on the email strings with these folks. It'll put you in absolute stitches. There are a few others that can throw a good barb as well.
Before we want to get all hoity toity about what constitutes a positive contribution to this forum it might be nice to step back and think about why the very best of the best members we've ever had have chosen to no longer participate. Shame on us. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
think about why the very best of the best members we've ever had have chosen to no longer participate. Shame on us. I'm still here :cool:
Have I just been insulted? ;) |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I come to this forum for one thing only - entertainment.
The very first thing I look for are posts by caravan or Suspect because they are witty as hell and you never know what's coming next. If you think the posts are irreverent, crude and hurtful you ought to be on the email strings with these folks. It'll put you in absolute stitches. There are a few others that can throw a good barb as well.
Before we want to get all hoity toity about what constitutes a positive contribution to this forum it might be nice to step back and think about why the very best of the best members we've ever had have chosen to no longer participate. Shame on us. Dave: good points. Underscores the fact that we all come here for different reasons. Some of them mutually exclusive. Of course, by definition, not everyone can be pleased by everything. Learning vs. entertainment. Passing along information vs. tossing pointed barbs. Storytelling vs. thread-derailing. All these are contradictory goals, but all appear to be goals of regular participants here.
However, I DO have a few posts in, and I think I have discerned fairly well the tenor of this forum. Frankly, while I was not offended by anything US said, the hijacking of a thread for no good reason is just plain shabby.
I don't think it's all hoity-toity to ask participants to contribute at least SOMETHING to the core mission of this forum at least once in a while. For example: if Beal had said ALL the same things as Suspects, I'd have laughed as hard as anyone, because he already has, oh, a few THOUSAND substantive, informative, useful posts under his belt. TUS? Not so much. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | So in essence, what we have is a continuation of this Old Guard/New Guard dispute. I believe these people are the same ones who castigated many of us for not warming up to the ning site when it was first introduced. I believe these are the same people who complained that some of us were stuck in the past. In reality, these are the people who are stuck in the past and cannot accept that everything changes, sometimes new neighbors move in, and we either learn to get along with them or we start a neighborhood war. And I do think it's sad when certain members are criticized for posting what some consider to be irrelevant, non-guitar related "drivel", and yet if it is one of them, anything goes. If these people were run-of-the-mill trolls, it would be no big deal, but it is obvious that these people have been around for a long time, and their greatest desire is to drive away some of us newer members. Won't work. I am here to stay.
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| You and me are second stringers, T. But now that most of the first team's on injured reserve it's our time to shine. |
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Location: Location Location Location | Well said Alison. Sometimes there's enough hot air blowing around here to kick up global warming a few notches. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't think there is any Old Guard / New Guard issue and nobody is trying to drive anyone else way. At least I'm not. New Guard will someday be the Old Guard and there will be a new New Guard and then it'll all make sense. In the mean time I just read on looking for some good laughs from like mind folks. It's still enjoyable, just don't make me read or comment about guitars. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Why do I come here?
I like to talk about me, mine, myself, muoi and it beats the heck out of work! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by MWoody:
I like to talk about me, mine, myself, muoi and it beats the heck out of work! BINGO |
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Location: closely held secret | Yessir. Woody's good at hitting nails directly on the head.
Like Dave, I come here for entertainment. If I happen to pick up some interesting trivia about Ovations, all the better.
But about the Old Guard/New Guard thing... some of us have been here for years and have discussed just about everything Ovation/guitar related that there is to discuss. We're usually happy to share our knowledge, but sometimes the same old questions get tiresome, especially when the newbee could have done a simple search and found 300 posts chock full of information on the subject. Try 'best strings' for instance. :rolleyes:
Frankly, I think most of the more impudent posts are simply out of boredom (I know mine are). Think of us as perennial college seniors. We've seen it all, heard it all, discussed it all, and now we're just here for the frat parties.
Oh, and you freshmen are just stuck with us, so be careful or you'll wind up on double-secret probation. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | All good points, newbies and oldies! Since I know little about O's and can't contribute to much but about a get together or two, you may have enlightened me to a new way of entertainment!
This is why Ilove this place, free counseling! |
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| OK, fair enough. So for your continued entertainment, a new glove has been thrown and the challenge has apparently not yet been accepted, to wit, that TUS provide us with a sample of his playing. It seems he's more suited to sitting in the back of the class throwing spit balls than stepping to the front and presenting.
Four possibilities:
He'll present a clip of himself (or someone he'll claim is him) actually playing,
He'll lay low for a while then start posting again completely ignoring the challenge,
He'll re-register under a new name and continue posting, or
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | One of the problems I have noticed with searches is that often, people will post a link and label it "here". So the site you are looking for doesn't show up in a search. If I took the same attitude with my students they would never learn anything. Just because I know something, I would never look down on anyone for asking. I would never tell them to look it up. I would try to remember that there was a time when I DIDN'T know, and someone had the patience to teach me. (OK, maybe the strings thing is old, and you CAN find a lot of info by doing a search.) I would think that if you're tired of talking about the same old things, you would either skip over those topics, or just decide not to contribute to that thread. There is no good reason to get snotty and scare away newbies who came here to partake of our knowledge and experience. There is a lot to be said for common courtesy and manners. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Beggin:
All good points, newbies and oldies! Since I know little about O's and can't contribute to much but about a get together or two, you may have enlightened me to a new way of entertainment!
This is why Ilove this place, free counseling! I'm with you, Beggin......it's fun to just sit back and watch the show. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Well.............................
Suspects said it was thrown together on a coffee break, I assume from work. I knew that, anyone who can take the time to write all that obviously is at work and not home.
I'm with Dave, we joined here because of guitars, but I come here now for the entertainment as well and to see what my buddies are doing. If there's an interesting historical question I can answer or something technical I might remember I'll answer but much of the "What's the value of my guitar?" "What strings are best?" is a little old.
I love the way threads get twisted around here, that can be interesting. And they usually come back on topic as well. The responces we get from these multiple-personality disoreded people can be funny. Sometimes it's the slap in the face you deserve for saying something dumb, sometimes it's completely out of the park and uncalled for. Keeps things interesting. If they get too far out Mr Big always steps in with Vacation time.
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Location: south east Michigan | Well said Bill.
I used to feel obliged to answer a newbies question in complete, readable sentences. Now.. not so much. Not that I don't care but I find if I just let it go for a few minutes, someone else will step in.
Frankly, I think I've somewhat earned the option of choosing not to rush to be the first to post.
And for all the crap he takes, I notice that Dave (Gallerinski for some of you), will still at times jump in with assistance.
Now perhaps to those new to board (under 3000 posts) his answers might seem rather contrite and perhaps even rude. But this is not the case. Dave's remarks are the result of years and years of countless editing and refinement. He has his points boiled down to such a concentrate that at times, to the freshman, it might be to strong to swallow.
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | But, we LIKE Dave! He mixes his prose well. Sometimes cutting, sometimes informative, but always entertaining.
He has earned his stripes, yeah, maybe that's the point here. |
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Location: south east Michigan | See?
#3 & #4 were condensed to the minumum and #12 only seemed downright rude.
I rest my case. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Who ghost wrote that for Beal? That was the longest post I've seen from him in a long time and his short posts are usually full of typos. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Dave, please post a link to your talking points.
He'll no, I refuse to search. |
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