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Location: Phoenix AZ | I wouldn't risk developing carpel-tunnel-syndrome cyber-debating with a fock-wit shrink like him.
To play a guitar and form an opinion of it is fine. Any guitar. Any opinion. I have no problem that based on his experience he thinks that ovations sound like shet. But to start right out and admit openly that you've never even played the damn taylor guitar but can gaurantee that it sounds better than any ovation is just an absurd statement. The conversation should have ended there.
He's the same arse-wipe that bed-panned the Tak EF75 and admitted he had never ever heard the Tak but there was no way it could ever be considered in the same league as a Collings. You know what? I think my Collings om2 DOES sound better than my EF75, but at least I've played both damn guitars! What a focking douche-bag.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | It figures he's a shrink.
My only point in starting all that is that the level of bigotry pisses me off. He can hate anything he wants, but hate equally.
Over there when you mention Ovation it's like you're in a room full of Jews and you shout out Hitler was a good guy. You could yell that you don't like matzo or you hate wearing a yamicka and you'll get some reaction which is normal. That's what you should get to the Ovation thing, but NO, you get this full blown nuclear onslought from spoo sucking maggot muchers.
Now I need to go see what Moody posted today.... |
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Location: south east Michigan | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I think my latest post to Dr. Dave is going to get the thread shut down. He's an ass. Did you know he's a shrink? Good post Paul... good post.
But he never will "get it". |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Like I said earlier, if you give those types enough rope, they will tie themselves in knots and look like idiots.
Dr Dave did not disappoint.
Is he really a Psychiatrist? That's actually damn funny. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by Omaha:
Is he really a Psychiatrist? We should invite him over here. Ought to be a target rich environment for him. ;) |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Interesting. Been called a lot of thngs in my lifetime but never pompous.
From now on you may all address me as Dr. Weas. HUMPF!! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I wonder if Dr.Dave the shrink diagnoses patients without ever meeting them ...
He has no problem diagnosing guitars that way.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | So... Is this thread increasing the AFG's membership? |
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| It is a facinating phenomenon (one I am sure you've dealt with your whole life Beal) I just do not understand how such an inovative guitar; One that made the lives of professionals and novices alike "better" through the new built-in electronics.... the durability and then the construction quality, the sound, looks, and the fair pricing that came from this genius of a guy and his crazy crew from Conneticut. How cool is that story anyway? I am proud to know you Bill, I wish I could have met your Dad!
The mating of a rounded bowl design that vibrated a wood top as good or better than the traditional guitars do. How can that be such a bad thing? No one has ever changed things that much before or since.
No one up to that point in instument history had ever come up with anything that unique and ground breaking. Amazing in itself. Then that Adamas top.........Wow...........carbon fiber..........Another over the top inovation! Then you guy's did it again with the multihole design.........big wow again.......!.. Then look, especially today, at the costs in comparison with (lets say since the debate is with Taylors) a Taylor. An American made Ovation is once again a great, great deal.
I play out only once or twice each month. So I am not a pro but I am out there. I have always gotten comments and am still getting comments about how beautiful my Adamas is and how good it sounds. My buddy (who has some nice Taylor's) He rarely gets comments about his guitars. They like his music and his playing but I get the instrument attention.
Just one more reason I will always have a Nice American made Ovation guitar on stage with me. It is all part of the show and if the looks of the guitar is pleasing to everyone including me then I can do the math.
As for this guy and many on the AGF, Well I'd have to say I am a better man than this miserable fool. I am an avid Ovation fan but think Taylor makes a real nice guitar. I think they sound great! And I am man enough to admit it. Hell, I'd be proud to one. They are just not my first choice.... I choose my guitars from the list of things I posted earlier.. Taylor and the rest come in second place for me every time. Personally I want the best value. Ovation beats them in every category I have
F#ck Dr. Dink....there are lots of people who waste the good air for the rest of us. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I just want to insert a little clarification here: Again, I, and several other OFCers, belong to the AGF (the Acoustic Guitar Forum), which is different from the place Dr. whoever is posting on (a forum at Acoustic Guitar.com). I just wanted to state that I enjoy the AGF, so please don't confuse it with this guy.
Also, when I said earlier in this thread that I was instigating, I was being sarcastic. I had know idea it would generate hot topics on two different forums. Sorry if I put anybody out. |
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| Yep, See your point. My comments are directed at anyone who simply trashes one guitar company or another as I am sure most of us understand this. And this guy certainly fits the bill. AGF is a good site but I only own Ovation acoustics so I never bothered to join and besides there is enough fun right here. I did have the wrong site though. Thanks for the clarification.
Don't worry about who started this, your sarcasm or lack of it is not the cause, this guy's comments are the problem.... not you my friend. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | It's probably futile, but I just joined in and tried to alter the course a little bit. |
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Location: SoCal | Oh I can't resist this guy. He's in it for the head game of it, thinking he's smarter than everybody else.
He's not an MD, but rather a "neuropsychologist", whatever the hell that is. In his game playing, he reminds me of somebody who used to be on this board and was a royal pest after getting kicked off (no, not the one in Texas)..... |
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Location: Tennessee | Decorum, gentlemen. You know what they say about wrestling pigs. Treat him as if a troll. All the salient arguments have already been made. |
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Location: Keller, TX | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
He's not an MD, but rather a "neuropsychologist", whatever the hell that is. In his game playing, he reminds me of somebody who used to be on this board and was a royal pest after getting kicked off (no, not the one in Texas)..... Huh? Who? What we talking about??? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Oh I can't resist this guy. He's in it for the head game of it... When I first came to the OFC, wasn't that a sport known as "Trolling"?
Kinda like starting a thread with, "Y'know why Ovations really Suck?"
And the common-sense advice was "Don't Feed The Troll!"
[Then the moderator-folks would close the thread, sanction the perp, and he would reappear next week]
I read through the AGF crap once, realized that there was nothing that I hadn't heard before in person...
And that was that!
I am satisfied that some folks don't like Ovations... More for me at cheaper prices. :D
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Texas Doc, that was a different guy who hasn't been here for a long time thank God.
North Country, thanks for all your comments. The thing that got me about this guy and the others was how fast and hard they jump on Ovation with nothing but twisted opinions. You know it would be possible to not like Ovations but still agree with all you said. I guess that goes back to the original statement from Al "Ovation's don't get the respect they deserve" Still holds true.
I really like Brad's statement about don't argue with idiots. I'm gonna use that one! |
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Location: SoCal | The guy on the other forum just irritates me. If I were smart, like Slipkid and Beal, I'd walk away from him. But sometimes I feel like I'm on "Dork Patrol" where I just gotta step on them ("So Many Dorks, So Little Time"). What's fun is that he's given me so much ammo, that every time I post, I can quote something stupid he's said to make my point. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Would someone please post the thread where all this "spoosucking" is going on...I want to play! :D |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Never mind...I found it!
"Let the games begin" |
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Location: NJ | I can't be bothered . . . I deal with ENOUGH StupidPeople on a daily basis . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by cliff:
I can't be bothered . . . I deal with ENOUGH StupidPeople on a daily basis . . . I don't call you that often...... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I'm going to wait until I post the sound clips: then I'll invite them to take part as well and vote for the best sounding clips: no one will know which guitar they are voting for until the end of the contest/poll. BTW: there will be both wood and non-wood bodies represented, each miked with the same 10 yr. old Rode NT-2. No effects: just straight acoustic sound! I think the results will be amazing! |
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Location: NJ | ". . I don't call you that often......"
You're posting HERE, aren't you?? . . . |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by MusicMishka:
I'm going to wait until I post the sound clips: then I'll invite them to take part as well and vote for the best sounding clips: no one will know which guitar they are voting for until the end of the contest/poll. BTW: there will be both wood and non-wood bodies represented, each miked with the same 10 yr. old Rode NT-2. No effects: just straight acoustic sound! I think the results will be amazing! You gonna post them to the Ovation flame thread over on the Acoustic Guitar Forum? That will be wonderful! |
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Ovation question on the AGF
