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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | well done, Cliff. |
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Location: south east Michigan | BRAVO!!!! BRAVO!!!!
Nobody works their way out of the proverbial corner better than Cliff. He just sits back, doing the old rope-a-dope, then comes out swinging at just the right time. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Cliff:
I agree with every word, and like I said, I never took offense to your Martin ribbing. Hell, if I don't get offended at the abuse I get at your gigs, I'm certainly not going to get offended by a guitar remark, but you already know that. :) As you know, Ovations are the only guitars that I gig with any more, just like I told the Martin guys. They are the only guitars that stand up not only to the things that you described so very well, but also to being owned by a clutz like yours truly. I should have never jumped into the conversation on the Martin board, but I , like you, could not believe that they were so upset over a picture.
Go figya! |
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Location: south east Michigan | I was tempted to jump into the Martin fray myself but overcame the impulse. Why try to talk to people who have an unchangable mind set? Trying to explain the science and logic behind the bowl design would be lost on most of them.
I would add emphasis to just one angle of Cliff's manifesto. Ovations are not just durable, dependable workhorses. The good ones sound great and the great ones sound fantastic! And that goes for plugged and unplugged.
But there I go...preaching to the choir. |
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Location: SoCal | Brad, I think what you'd have to do is explain the science of Cliff taking a leak....... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | O's and M's are just different wine for difference occasions. I own both and ain't gonna go get my panties in a bunch over what other people think on either side of the fence. Dave
PS - But that IS one of the best photos I've ever had the pleasure to take ... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Bravo Cliff!
Not only did you make a great case for Bulletin Board Attitude 101 but you wrote the perfect case for what the "Every man" concept, that CK pushed, was meant to be.
Thanks! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Has anyone acknowledged the total sacrifice that BrianT made in "Outing" himself on the Martin Board? |
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Location: SoCal | ...not that it matters.... |
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Location: ms | I have a 000Martin,92col.Ovation and a 2001 410 Taylor and a few more guitars around the house.I am setting up a 96,712taylor for a friend,it`s a peice of crap!I know this because it used to be mine.My friend loves it.Like i posted before the 410 is a good guitar but it is also the only one i will sale.Is it ok to put it on the sale/trade since it`s not a O ? |
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Location: SoCal | Put 'er up! Somebody may want it or know somebody who wants it. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Gulfcoast, we periodically post non-O things in the for sale section. No big thing when done every now and then.
My question about most of this.....how many of the guys on the Martin board that were bashing O's have even played one?...and how many of those have played a real USA model....and then how may of those have played a slothead, a U681, a 1537, etc.
My guess is very few. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Way too much time spent on snobs here, guys. We said we appreciate Martins (and I sincerely believe most here do) and that it was a joke. No sense beating a dead llama.
Screw 'em if they can' take a joke.
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Location: ms | I would guess few.Most of us here seem to be old enough to remember when Ovation ruled!I love my Martin,but I spent a few years in the late 70`s playing a D28 behind a deep bowl legend,the O played much better ,sounded better plugged in ,and not better just different unplugged. This is a quick but true story. I wanted an O really bad during that time, but could not afford one with the martin. I made a deal to trade the D28 for a legend(or it could have been a balladeer) with a music store in Mobile, AL. I went back the next afternoon with the guitar to make the trade, and the owner had loaned the O to Harry Chapin, who was playing in town that night. The O never returned to the store, I don't know if Harry kept it or not. I was pissed, but felt like I had a brush with greatness! |
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Location: Hicksville, NY | After years of owning guitars made in the far east, my first ever U.S. made guitar was my Ovation balladeer, and I think it was the best choice I ever made! Two years later, and having had its share of abuse from my sub-standard technique, it's still going and no way am I going to part with it -- at least not anytime soon. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Mine is 30 this year. It had a lot of sitting on a stand in between. |
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| I think the guys were pathetic - I like to think that if Master T had been with them instead of earning an honest dollar demoing he would actually have pissed on the wood boxes. Brits do bad behaviour so much better. |
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Location: Scotland | Actually I quite like some Martins, but if I was spending that kind of dough on a wood box I'd go for a Collings. I took a dump in the Ban-Tam booth though. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
I took a dump in the Ban-Tam booth though. Did it dampen the sound? |
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Location: NJ | They're selling it as the optional "mute".
Witko was egging me on t'take a picture of the BanjoTam booth attendants, but that was a line even I wouldn't cross . . . Mom warned me about certain things NOT make fun of . . .
(it WAS f@ckin' "Classic" tho . . . :-) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Re:
"Brits do bad behaviour so much better."
"Send in the Irish."
Braveheart |
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Location: Hicksville, NY | I was once an active member of the UMGF, and as far as I know I still have my account there, but I still have my doubts about going back. There are nice members there, but I have my reservations for them "snobs."
I posted about it before ... (reading between the lines) ... I was not happy at some of the postings for the Martins on the lower end. Anything lower than the D-15 (except the LXM) were almost always never mentioned, and usually looked down upon. With regards to the Martins that I own, some disgruntled member once sent me a PM message that read: "...sure it's a Martin, but it's not a D-28." I think that was the ticker that made me decide to shy away from the UMGF, and it's really sad, since I happen to like M guitars, besides Ovations. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I belong to the UMGF and can tell you that it's no different that the OFC. Yes in general they don't like anything lower than a D15. It's no different than they way we talk about Celebrity and Applause models.
The only difference is that by and large the members of UMGF has spent a LOT more money on their instruments than we have here. And with that coms a certain degree of snootiness. I tend to just ignore it. There is NO way I'm going to convince a guy who has spent $40,000. on a collection of 7 guitars that his choices are crap because they don't have plastic backs.
I just read it, enjoy it, occasionally contribute, and don't let it ruin my day.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I belong to the UMGF and can tell you that it's no different that the OFC. Yes in general they don't like anything lower than a D15. It's no different than they way we talk about Celebrity and Applause models.
The only difference is that by and large the members of UMGF has spent a LOT more money on their instruments than we have here. And with that coms a certain degree of snootiness. I tend to just ignore it. There is NO way I'm going to convince a guy who has spent $40,000. on a collection of 7 guitars that his choices are crap because they don't have plastic backs.
I just read it, enjoy it, occasionally contribute, and don't let it ruin my day.
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