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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I was just stringing the 1537 for it's journey to StellarJim, and though not a slothead, I put and extra wrap or two around the post to force the strings (esp bass) way down the post to increase the break over the nut. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I put and extra wrap or two around the post to force the strings (esp bass) way down the post to increase the break over the nut. YUP, that's the way to do it. These guys that say the guitar stays in tune better with only a single wind around the post are FOS. The farther down the post you go (shut up Cliff) the better it sounds. |
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Location: closely held secret | The two theories are mutually exclusive, my friend. They can both be true, without the other being untrue. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You're giving me a headache ...
My simple mind (shut up Cliff) tells me that there is like 27 or so inches of string under tension and TENSION (plus diameter, blah, blah,) determines pitch. You can't tell me that an extra 1/2 inch of wrap around a solid post is going to cause the string to change tension by slipping. If the string is slipping on the post, then you did something wrong.
I would argue that the theories can NOT both be true because you can not string with only 1 wrap around the post AND wind way down the pole at the same time.
Or maybe I'm just too tone deaf to know tat it's out of tune ...
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Shut up, Cliff. |
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Location: closely held secret | Less trips around the post means less potential delayed stretching of the strings, so the string becomes stable over all it's length faster, and maintains the tension.
Having the string lower on the post creates a greater break angle over the nut (shut UP! Cliff) which holds the string tighter in the slot. Whether or not this has a discernable effect on the tone (as it does at the saddle) is arguable.
But just as this sharper angle keeps the string from sliding sideways in the slot, it also helps keep it from sliding lengthwise, which isn't really an issue on slotheads (one of the nice things about the design) but can be on pegheads, as there is always some flexing in the posts, since they're only supported at one end.
So winding lower on the post could help keep the string in tune. Except that you have to add more windings to accomplish it. Which potentially makes it harder to keep in tune.
How's your headache?
Oh, the reason I said they were mutually exclusive was because us GWAFOS said less windings meant less tuning, and you OGWAFOS said winding lower on the post made it sound better. Different goals. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | This GWINFOS (me!) needs a freakin' Tylenol.
For gods sake, you just slip the string through the string tube, pull it through the bridge, remove the tube, wrap the string a few times around the post, into the hole, turn the tunner button a few revolutions and start strumming away ... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I thought that when the strings went dead, you just bought a new guitar that someone else had already strung. At least that's what that Standing Ovation did and he was my idol. |
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Location: Orange County, California | I thought you left the string tubes on.... :D |
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Location: NW NJ | Fred:
If you leave the string tubes in after you string the guitar be sure to get some of StandingO's special String Tube Conditioner (STC in the trade). If you don't, the constant vibration will cause the tubes to deteriorate over a period of a few weeks and congeal into an impenetrable gob of stuff welding the string into the bridge rendering it unremovable. If that happens, you'll have to pry the bridge off and replace it, or just drill some holes vertically through the bridge and top, slap some bridge pins in and forget the pinless bridge idea altogether.
As usual, at least before he split, StandingO thought of everything! |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Tupperware:
turn the tunner button a few revolutions and start strumming away ... Well, that's how you tune an Double bass, I'm not so sure it works for fretted instuments. |
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Location: SE Michigan | Bring it to my house Brad, I'll re-string it and even tune it up for no extra charge. |
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Location: south east Michigan | To late...It's done.
I'll be over at 6:30 tommorrow. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Originally posted by stephent28:
30 minutes....I have never found it that difficult on a 6 string.....but on a 12 string....ooohhh boy! 30 Minutes ??? Hey Stephen how about a little bet. You still got two '97 Parlors? Let's get them both out side by side and I'll race you restringing them. Winner keeps both guitars. Are you up for it?
Dave Originally posted by Tupperware:
You're giving me a headache ...
My simple mind (shut up Cliff) tells me that there is like 27 or so inches of string under tension and TENSION (plus diameter, blah, blah,) determines pitch. You can't tell me that an extra 1/2 inch of wrap around a solid post is going to cause the string to change tension by slipping. If the string is slipping on the post, then you did something wrong.
I would argue that the theories can NOT both be true because you can not string with only 1 wrap around the post AND wind way down the pole at the same time.
Or maybe I'm just too tone deaf to know tat it's out of tune ...
Dave Originally posted by Tupperware:
This GWINFOS (me!) needs a freakin' Tylenol.
For gods sake, you just slip the string through the string tube, pull it through the bridge, remove the tube, wrap the string a few times around the post, into the hole, turn the tunner button a few revolutions and start strumming away ... Originally posted by Tupperware:
You're giving me a headache ...
My simple mind (shut up Cliff) tells me that there is like 27 or so inches of string under tension and TENSION (plus diameter, blah, blah,) determines pitch. You can't tell me that an extra 1/2 inch of wrap around a solid post is going to cause the string to change tension by slipping. If the string is slipping on the post, then you did something wrong.
I would argue that the theories can NOT both be true because you can not string with only 1 wrap around the post AND wind way down the pole at the same time.
Or maybe I'm just too tone deaf to know tat it's out of tune ...
Dave Originally posted by Tupperware:
Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I put and extra wrap or two around the post to force the strings (esp bass) way down the post to increase the break over the nut. YUP, that's the way to do it. These guys that say the guitar stays in tune better with only a single wind around the post are FOS. The farther down the post you go (shut up Cliff) the better it sounds. Originally posted by Tupperware:
You're giving me a headache ... Originally posted by Tupperware:
You're giving me a headache ... Originally posted by Tupperware:
You're giving me a headache ... Originally posted by Tupperware:
You're giving me a headache ... :cool: MARKETING GUYS.....THEY START TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD AFTER A WHILE |
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Location: south east Michigan | UTE review...
First let me say that the seller (Dave) was great. Good communication and the packaging was first rate. The guitar is as described and came well documented.
I'm not very proud of my first slothead re-string job. I tried to take Fred's advise but it still looks kinda sloppy. The hard part for me was keeping the D & G string away from the inside edge of the slot. I better get the hang of it quick so I don't make a little string groove in the slothead.
I restrung my AD-II (in 20 minutes) so I could A/B with the restrung UTE (which took an hour and 20 minutes). The UTE is definatly louder, has more sustain, and rumbles with more bass. I thought the AD-II had a good supply of low end but the UTE goes lower. Finger tip picking has more volume. The wider neck is not a issue. In fact it makes finger picking easier. Playing the short neck is noticable. So far I have only found one song where I almost run out of real estate up the neck.
I was looking for contrast from the AD-II and Balladeer. I think I have found it. The ute has that Adamas, piano like ring and is a very different flavor than the wood tops.
The UTE sitting next to my black, Adamas-like ukelele is quite a picture.
The true test will come this evening when Brian & I get together for a jam.
Any requests???... Sorry...we don't know "Sweet Home Alabama". |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Slipkid:
The UTE sitting next to my black, Adamas-like ukelele is quite a picture. You mean a black version of THIS ???
That's Jerome's 47RI and Uke. Yes, our dear Webmaster has crossed over to the Dark Side. How long before the rest of the EU falls in line ...
Brad, congratulations and again on the U681. I'm really glad you like it and not at ALL surprised! Now you need the 12-string version.
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Location: south east Michigan | Yep...that's the look! |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by Slipkid:
...I restrung my AD-II (in 20 minutes) :eek: so I could A/B with the restrung UTE (which took an hour and 20 minutes) :eek: :eek: OK, New guidline. You should'nt be allowed to own more guitars than you can re-string in an hour. I 'm not saying Brad is "slow", but rather some people already have too many slot heads and 12 strings. :D |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by mtnbikerfred:
some people already have too many slot heads and 12 strings. :D so speaks SLOT HEAD FRED. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Try restringing a hardbody with a Kahler tremelo and locking nut. I gave up after breaking a new string. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | SHHEEEEEEEESSSSSHHHHHH.....give Brad a break! An hour and 20 minutes for a six-string slothead sounds "in-the-ballpark" to me......takes me FOUR FREAKIN' HOURS for my old GC 12-string.....
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Location: Orange County, California | Could be much worse than the stupid Floyd Rose on my Ibanez. At least it's one of the "Kahler Style" with the tube you put the string through instead of having to clamp the string in each saddle...
And yes, I can change strings on my slotheads faster than most people can on top posts... :D |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by mtnbikerfred:
And yes, I can change strings on my slotheads faster than most people can on top posts... :D Anyone else, thinkin' "O.K.Corral?" |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Well the recent times posted have me thinking.....
Tuppy, were you thinking my 30 minutes was fast or slow? |
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Location: SE Michigan | Brad was just over with his new U681T. It's quite a horse, got a ton of thud and rumble. And it looks to be in pretty well pristine condition. Nice guitar Brad. |
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