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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Did I miss somethin`here :confused: ,very strong points were put on the "table",and the word JUMBO was mentioned and.. well described :) ,and it was n`t even I that expressed the "J" word,does that mean that it`s okay to progress from piano to Fortissimo, :eek: that is GREAT :p when are they gonna make my friggin Jumbo`s or should we throw a poll :confused: after all,with all that un-employment goin`on,we`re offering work here,nichtwar.. ;)
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| Well then... How about MAKING IT EASIER FOR AN AMERICAN CONSUMER TO BUY THE GREAT GUITARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE ASIAN MARKETS?? I know these are not the American made guitars and you'll never loose the Americans who want these products but DAM! I could not find anyway to buy a double neck CDS-215 (if I have the numbers correct) And you guy's only seem to allow the Americans to buy the Celebrity 255 or 225 in the black cherry color???? I actually have a stage need for one...That makes no sense to me. Now what reason would there be from a factory to keep a certain style of guitar away from any market??? That is an answer I'd like an honest answer too?? why can't I buy a guitar with a BLUE TOP or BLACK. if I want it..............Why have I forced to buy Black Cherry RED......... WHATZZZZZ UPPP with that??? Do you figure the American market will be satisfied with that same color on every single double Neck made......Give me a break guys! I can say for a fact you lost one sale right here with me... I bought a "215" Used... only way I could find one, and I searched everywhere I could for one new!
If your worried about keeping the Americans buying American guitars then why don't you PLEASE PLEASE give us some of the great woods used for tops, stains and color choices that are available to the rest of the known world right here in the USA on the ELITE models or on the celebrities available here. It is my understanding that Adamas 1's have been manufactured for the Asian market while they were not made available to the Americans in the past.??? More than once???? Someone correct me if I am wrong here. But if any of this is correct then perhaps I have a point??
Great Guitars guy's! Really. Do Not get me wrong! I just do not understand the marketing logic?? There should be loopholes made to appease the poor slobs like me who want something a little different?
My little small venue Gig's generate a lot of questions about your guitars. Even now I find musicians who are not familiar with their quality and sound, up close. They have only tried the shallow bodied celebs that are readily available at the guitar shops. None of these musicians bother to plug one in to see how good they sound through a nice little fishman amp or what have you... because the shallow body does not have the acoustic sound they want to hear first. If you could get these same musicians to try one of these instruments plugged in first! You'd sell twice as many as you do now! I say get the stores to leave one on a stand in front of an amp and ready to play! They will forgive the unplugged sounds if they went this route! An Adamas is like a holy grail. No one and I mean "No one" around my part of upstate NY has ever seen one in person. They love them when I show them and let them play one! And I'd say I have sent a dozen musicians looking in the past few months alone from my endorsemnt and the sound of these Adamas's! What do they find......... ONE OVATION CHOICE......A BLACK CHERRY CELEBRITY 6. AND THEY BUY THE TAYLOR.............. Get it...???
Now I wanted a CUSTOM MADE DOUBLE NECK ADAMAS 1 made..... I wanted a 4 string bass/6 string neck made in the origianl #7 color. I went through Al. his response was and I quote "They said they will have to tool up for something like this"
Excuse me????? I am honsetly considering paying around $8k and perhaps more... for a custom built guitar. I will never know we never got that far. Note the word "CUSTOM"... sometimes CUSTOM means tooling up. but for this kind of money just how much extra work would this really be???? Christ send the the necks and I'll carve the headstocks myself. The attachments to the body and the bracing for a bass neck can't be all that much different that a clever luthier could not figure out how to get this throught the line??? But hey I guess if it too much for you... I will spend this money elsewhere.... and in fact have been for the past few months. I have taken my tag line of guitars out of my posts because it is getting a little much! Well lets see so far the Factory lost their cut of $8k from me and the sale of a custom Adamas and a $1,200 double neck because it can't be bought by me in the US??
But I still love the guitars..... You do the math. I tried to buy from you guy's.
By the way I see the Asian markets have a lot of American made guitars hanging for sale in their shops.
I sure do want this to sound like Ovation bashing, I love the products you make! The luthiers working there have got to be some of the very best on the planet! I just do not understand a few things and perhaps it is something the guy's who brain storm around the sales table should reconsider??? Just a thought from one guy who wanted to buy something you make and could not.
I hope my fellow members do not think this is outright beligerance or some mutinious defiant stance on my part toward the factory. Please do not confuse a point of view with what it is not.
Messages like this can be more benificial to a company than a hundred pages of pleasant banter. Now perhaps my particular thoughts are not that valuable but they could be. I thought they were worth voicing.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Throttle back, Randy. And Al, if the Ovation guys start wearing boxer shorts over their heads and running into doors, we'll know they read these posts. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | NORTH..I hear ya..the same overhere,are we stepkids or ?..mebbe we should ah..Adunno..combine resources ?..do some lobbying perhaps..any others who wanna join a spiring movement.. NORTH ,what shall we call it .."StepKids Lobbers".."We Who Deserve Colors".."Jumbo Bumbo".. :)
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Randy, I hear your frustration. Hell, all I wanted them to do was charge me a few bucks extra and leave OFF the god damn label and they said NO. So my conclusion is that a custom order will only be accepted if the following three conditions are met: 1) it is technically possible, 2) you are willing to pay for it, and 3) they want to do it. If they don't want to build a double neck Adamas, or if they don't want to omit the ugly label, then it ain't gonna happen. Same holds true with other builders. I wanted something done on one of my martins that would have been easy to do and I was ready to pay for it, but they just didn't want to go it. Life goes on. Dave |
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Location: Tennessee | Nasty economics at work here. Supply and demand. Resource availability and constraints. Effects of assembly line disruption. Cost of capital and assets. The way I see it, the factory is already running at full throttle. Ovation puts out a lot of guitars for what they are ... certainly a ton more than most builders with a lot of hand work involved. Martin and Taylor will do "custom" orders ... but they really aren't custom, just a different configuration of the materials and processes they have in current production. Knowing what I know about the Adamas production, $8K is way light for what you want Randy. Ovation's cost would probably be something well into the five figures, and then you have to have at least ten orders per year of the same magnitude to hire just one person to do the work. It's hard to make that happen. BUT, if you want a "custom" guitar based on available processes and materials, Ovation seems to be as flexible and accomodating as anyone. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I want to see a line of Dreadnaught Deep bowls in TT and AAA Spruce with the ANS neck!
Please...
If I ever get my garage back I want to start making some fiberglass bowls. I'll start with the "A" scale and eventually try a Dreadnaught with the 1537 type bracing. The worst I could do is waste some time and money! At least I don't have a fishing boat!
I am in the process of squeeking through on a Custom order for something not made yet. There is always hope. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Likewise. At first request, Koa was no longer available for production. With a little more questioning...let's just say I will be taking possession of one within a couple weeks. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Like Al said..be nice.
For those who may be relatively new among us, the folks at Ovation have been extremely generous to the OFC. There is not one ounce of "us v. them" going on. We have a relationship that I don't think exists with any other guitar company. OFC history has proven this to be true.
So whatever else we have to say, let's remember to maintain an overall friendliness in our comments regarding Ovation as a company.
...and I recommend that during the first string change on a new Ovation, those interested in removing the label simply peel off what you can and work at the rest with some GOO-GONE. $1 at your local store.
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| I have edited my post to read a little more the way it was intended. And that was.... To be constructive critque.
This is how companies change and adapt. Someone has to point out a discrepancy then it can be addressed.
I think Thomas Edison said it best;
"Restlessness is discontent and discontent is the first necessity of progress"
"I am just trying to do my part" Randy!
Perhaps this helps, and perhaps it does not. I think there are some who think I am bashing Ovation, by the few negative emails at home that I have recieved. Funny actually, considering I own a room full of these fine guitars and am still buying more.
For everyone else......who's on the same page with me.... It's Thursday where I am, must be close to Thursday where you are right? Just trying to make it through another Go@@am Day........So pull up yer pants patrick, We're going home!
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Randy,
What made you think I was referring to you?
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | NorthCountry,
I don't think you had to worry about offending anyone because your post was so long, with strange edits and capitalizations that no one, except the most obsessive, actually read it completely. So cheer up! |
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| I've read every post on this thread, and I understand the frustration. An enthusiast is an enthusiast, period. Personally, I've been planning on a future custom-order, so I hope they're already 'tooled-up' to make one for me... |
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Location: Utah | I am frustrated by their poor marketing via Guitar Center. GC is probably one of the best opportunities to showcase their guitars, and our GC has a decent representation of the product line.
Except, not a single Adamas! Get some into the GC high end room.
Also, as mentioned in an earlier thread, require GC to change the strings every month. Make it a contractual requirement, and hell even provide free strings to them to do it. Old strings on a guitar is like a dirty car on a dealer's lot. It just turns customers away. |
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Location: NJ | That would be the scenario of the Dog wagging the Tail . . . |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | All I'm saying is, that when the posting is written in an unfocused manner, it's less likely to be read. Life is short enough. As far as I'm concerned people can be as enthusiastic as they want to be. Lord knows I am about ovations ... But that's different then having to parse thru a screed. |
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| Well at least I am posting an original thought. Good or bad it has some merit. Your not the only other member in here and that comment you just made was mean spirited for no apparent reason. I have said nothing to you directly before ever as far as I remember. So whats wrong? you seem uptight?
My multiple posts are not focused on belittling someone elses thoughts! Nor the way in which they are conveyed! I was making a somewhat coherent thought. I am sorry if it did not meet with your grammatical standards.
Now, to address your messages content further; If life is to short to read a long message, then why would you think it is a good use of your valuable time to try and humiliate me. Fair queston I would say. Or was my thought to unfocused?
In case you thought that was to hard to read let me summarize; Your being a bit of an A$$ to me and I do not understand why.
Go$$amit Patrick don't take yer pants off I told you we were only going to be here for a minute!
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| Yeah that was good. And I spell checked to be sure!
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Location: south east Michigan | Go$$amit Patrick don't take yer pants off I told you we were only going to be here for a minute!
I don't get the joke (if it is one), clever reference (if it is one), or context of the phrase.
And as to the use of "$$" and "@@" in place of letters to hide a perceived vulgarity. It does not hide anything. If you feel that you need to hide the word by mis-spelling it, maybe a different word should be used.
Or if you feel like you just have to swear, at least get it right. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Give him an apology, Rick. His words were no harder to understand than yours.
Originally posted by an4340:
NorthCountry,
I don't think you had to worry about offending anyone because your post was so long, with strange edits and capitalizations that no one, except the most obsessive, actually read it completely. So cheer up! That's strange wording for a complete sentence. Try adding the word 'such' before 'strange edits', and move the second comma to after the word 'capitalizations'. That would make it easier to read.
Originally posted by an4340:
All I'm saying is, that when the posting is written in an unfocused manner, it's less likely to be read. Life is short enough. As far as I'm concerned people can be as enthusiastic as they want to be. Lord knows I am about ovations ... But that's different then having to parse thru a screed. In the last sentence, the word 'then' is incorrect. It should be 'than'. And 'thru' should really be 'through'.
Damn it, people. Are we going to have to get Al to start his grammar lessons again? :eek: :D |
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Location: NJ | Don't MAKE me get the f@%kin' RedPencil out!!! . . . |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by Slipkid:
And as to the use of "$$" and "@@" in place of letters to hide a perceived vulgarity. It does not hide anything. And Brad, how about a comma instead of a .....
Aww, to hell with it! :rolleyes: |
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