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Location: Cicero, NY | One of the benefits Grace enjoyed, IMHO, was the lack of real competition in the rock arena. Janis, sure but, really, can anyone compare Joan Baez and Grace Slick? Or Melanie. Or Linda Ronstadt for that matter. That's like comparing Steve Perry to James Taylor. This is a real Ty Cobb/Pete Rose comparison if I've ever seen one. Not fair on any level. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | In your example only Joan and Janis were really in the same cultural circle of rock (Melanie was hippy folk and Linda was a later era).
When considering range/power/singingonkey/etc, Grace was the undisputed Queen.
and we all know Steven Tyler has THE BEST voice in rock and Pete Rose was a cheater. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | "In your example only Joan and Janis were really in the same cultural circle of rock."
My point exactly. Pretty easy to be the best when your competition died at, what, 28? You can be the best and still not be great if you're alone. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | You're comparing a gravelly whiskey riddled herion addict's voice to GRACE!
ooooooo......weazy, I used to love ya like a brother. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I'm saying that's the only fair comparison to make. Not that Grace doesn't come out on top (by an enormous margin by the way). Now, did Grace shape the scene for future female singers (ala Ann)? Absolutely. But I still don't think she was all that great. If you want to talk her and Ann, I think Ann annihilates her. |
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Location: NJ | 1. Janis Joplin
2. Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane)
3. Ann Wilson (Heart)
4. Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac, Solo)
5. Tina Turner
6. Pat Benatar
7. Debbie Harry (Blondie)
8. Annie Lennox (Eurythmics)
9. Chrissie Hynde (The Pretenders)
10. Joni Mitchell
11. Melissa Etheridge
12. Patti Smith
13. Alanis Morissette
14. Bjork
15. PJ Harvey
16. Kate Bush
17. Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth)
18. Tarja Turunen (Nightwish)
19. Ani Difranco
20. Nico (Velvet Underground)
21. Delores O'Riordan (Cranberries)
22. Shirley Manson (Garbage)
23. Patty Smyth (Scandal)
24. Rickie Lee Jones
25. Sandy Denny (Fairport Convention, Solo)
26. Martha Davis (Motels)
27. Fiona Apple
28. Meredith Brooks
29. Christina Scabbia (Lacuna Coil)
30. Tanya Donelly (Belly)
31. Liz Phair
32. Terri Nunn (Berlin)
33. Alannah Myles
34. Sheryl Crow
35. Exene Cervanka (X)
36. Suzi Quatro
37. Suzanne Vega
38. Debora Iyall (Romeo Void)
39. Kim Deal (The Breeders, Pixies)
40. Kat Bjelland (Babes In Toyland)
41. Christine McVie (Fleetwood Mac, Solo)
42. Lita Ford
43. Joan Jett (Blackhearts)
44. Siouxsie Sioux (Siouxsie & the Banshees)
45. Melanie
46. Brody Armstrong (The Distillers)
47. Karen O (Yeah Yeah Yeahs)
48. Gilly Smyth (Gong)
49. Kate Pierson (B-52's)
50. Jann Arden
51. Gwen Stefani (No Doubt)
52. Mary Margaret O'Hara
53. Lana Lane
54. Alison Moyet (Yaz)
55. Nina Gordon (Veruca Salt, Solo)
56. Maggie Bell
57. Annie Haslam(Renaissance)
58. Corinne Drewery (Swing Out Sister)
59. Beth Gibbons (Portishead)
60. Nina Hagen
61. Susanna Hoffs (Bangles)
62. Amy Lee (Evanescence)
63. Nancy Wilson (Heart)
64. Skin (Deborah Dyer) (Skunk Anansie)
65. Joss Stone
66. Shawn Colvin
67. Doro Pesch (Warlock)
68. Nanci Griffith
69. Jane Siberry
70. Karla Bonoff
71. Patty Griffin
72. Rita Coolidge
73. Chrissy Steele
74. Amanda Marshall
75. Sas Jordan
76. Linda Perry(4 Non Blondes)
77. Hope Sandoval (Mazzy Star)
78. Carrie Akre (Hammerbox)
79. Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses)
80. Lee Aaron
81. Sarah Shannon (Velocity Girl)
82. Mia Zappata (Gits)
83. Harriet Wheeler (The Sundays)
84. Wendy Waldman
85. Jennifer Warnes
86. Jonnette Napolitano (Concrete Blonde)
87. Holly McNarland
88. Judy Henske
89. Annette Peacock
90. Candice Night (Blackmore's Night)
91. Patti Santos (It's A Beautiful Day)
92. Amy Winehouse
93. Paula Cole
94. Katrina Chester (Luxx)
95. Margo Timmins (Cowboy Junkies)
96. Kim Richey
97. Signe Anderson (Jefferson Airplane, '65-'66)
98. Maria Azevedo (Battery)
99. Courtney Love (Hole)
100. Marianne Faithful
101. Avril Lavigne
102. Laetitia Sadier (Stereolab)
103. Jennifer Herrema (Royal Trux)
104. Dorothy Moskowitz (United States Of America)
105. Heather Findlay (Mostly Autumn)
106. Kim Wilde
107. Sharon den Adel (Within Temptation)
108. Maria Mckee (Lone Justice, solo)
109. Christina Amphlett (Divinyls)
110. Wendy O. Williams (Plasmatics)
111. Hayley Williams (Paramore)
112. Dale Krantz (Rossington-Collins Band)
113. Jane Jarboe (Swans)
114. Darby Mills (Headpins)
115. Amy Ray (Indigo Girls)
116. Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls)
117. Tara MacLean
118. Jennifer Rush
119. Leslie Rankine (Silverfish)
120. Dale Bozzio (Missing Persons)
121. Joan Osborne
122. Lynda Stipe (Hetch Hetchy)
123. Jennifer Cella (Trans Siberian Orchestra)
124. Simone Simons (Epica)
125. Dominique Durand (Ivy)
126. Kimberley Locke
127. Georgia Hubley (Yo La Tengo)
128. Melanie Doane
129. Lacey Mosley (Flyleaf)
130. Linda Sundblad (Lambretta)
131. Bif Naked
132. Tracey Thorn (Everything But The Girl)
133. Sandi Saraya (Saraya)
134. Pamela Moore
135. Kay Hanley (Letters To Cleo)
136. Kelly Hogan (Jody Grind)
137. Kari Wuhrer
138. Alison Mosshart (AKA VV of The Kills)
139. Tobey Torres (Snake River Conspiracy)
140. Teena Marie
141. Cat Power
142. Grace Potter (Grace Potter and the Nocturnals)
143. Monique Powell (Save Ferris)
144. Kirsty Hawkshaw
145. Neko Case
146. Isabel Monteiro (Drugstore)
147. Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance)
148. Justine Frischmann (Elastica)
149. Anneli Marian Drecker (Bel Canto)
150. Tairrie B (My Ruin)
151. Emm Gryner
152. Charlotte Martin
153. Louise Post (Veruca Salt)
154. Beth Orton
155. Kate Voegele
156. Mimi Goese (Hugo Largo)
157. Marti Dodson (Saving Jane)
158. Kim Shattuck (The Muffs)
159. Thalia Zedek (Live Skull)
160. Charlotte Hatherley (Ash)
161. Melanie Campbell (Burning Brides)
162. Angela Gossgow (Arch Enemy)
163. Jenny Haan (Babe Ruth)
164. Clare Torry (Pink Floyd-DSOTM)
165. Leigh Nash
166. Kathleen Hanna (Le Tigre/Bikini Kill)
167. Ida No (Glass Candy & Shattered Theatre)
168. Jenny Lewis (Rilo Kiley)
169. Nina C. Alice (Skew Siskin)
170. Kate Nash
171. Lilly Allen
172. Dot Allison
173. Ella Hooper (Killing Heidi)
174. Suzi Gardner (L7)
175. Sara Bareilles
176. Tina Dico
177. Sheila Nicholls
178. Danielle Brisebois
179. Lucia Cafarelli (KMFDM)
180. Anna Nalick
181. Corin Tucker (Sleater-Kinney)
182. Sandra Nasic (Guano Apes)
183. Regina Spektor
184. Bonnie Bramlett
185. Nellie Mckay
186. Anette Olzon (Nightwish)
an interesting list
and look who is #2
is it unfair to compare grace and joni mitchell or joan baez? how about maddy prior or sandy denny>? sort of like the perpetual adamas v wood top guitar debate
the only other era appropriate singer I see is annie hanslam and she has a killer voice.
most of the women singers were in motown and girl groups or pop
nancy sinatra?
connie francis
the ronettes
supremes
diana ross
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Location: Cicero, NY | "most of the women singers were in motown and girl groups or pop"
Or c&w ala Patsy Cline. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Okay Al.. I listened to your links, thank you.
Perhaps she does not deserve the karioke refference but I'll stand by my overall opinion that, well,.... she does not belong anywhere near number two on that list.
When I can say "Wow.... that chick's got pipes!!"... that's my gauge.
I don't think Grace demonstrated the type of range that would make me say that. Another gauge I use is live performance. I have heard some pretty ragged vocals.
I just don't rate her that high.
As far as that list, you can argue almost any pick. For my taste, some are rated way to high, and some way to low.
Peace, my motor-scooter brother!!! |
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Location: Cicero, NY | "When I can say "Wow.... that chick's got pipes!!"... that's my gauge."
Ooo, that reminds me of another...Dolly Parton. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Chrissie Hynde belongs in this conversation.
"I shot my mouth off an' you show'd me what that hole was for"
She both scared and fascinated me. Hubba-Hubba. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Same here. I'm surprised she didn't make that list Al put up. Good catch. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Can I have some of your purple berries? |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Chrissie is #9.
No Mama Cass?? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | She's at 9 in the list... but, as a female rock singer, she's always been near the top of my list... and it's more her delivery than actual voice quality. She's the AntiKrauss. |
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Location: enid, ok | CSN. "Ripping lead guitar" and Jefferson Airplane do not belong in the same sentence. They ruined that song. They had no chops. I loved Marty's voice but Grace I can live without. She was an embarrassment. She couldn't even get along with Frank Zappa-that's pretty sad. I remember Marty relaying that they had a drummer who was with Grace, and they had a band meeting to dismiss him because he was just too sauced all the time. "Then we had another meeting to figure out who was going to sleep with Grace." Pathetic. And don't forget the "nazi" concert in germany. That was classic. |
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Location: NJ | ". . She's the AntiKrauss . ."
:D That's PrettyGood.
fwiw:
I never really cared too much for Ann Wilson's singing . . or Heart for that matter . . . |
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Location: NJ | I still want to know who everyone is comparing Grace to aside Janis in the 60's?????
Marty's voice is great. He is the unsung hero of the airplane.
as for grace i remember her suggesting that all the women bare their breasts at woodstock to stop the rain.
every time I do a gig in the rain I use that line.... it dosen't work for me I just get branded as a jerk |
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| Ignore them al - they're too young to understand. We spent our teens listening to the airplane, they spent theirs watching The Partridge Family. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Originally posted by alpep:
I still want to know who everyone is comparing Grace to aside Janis in the 60's?????
I don't need to compare her to any other singer in any other era. In my book she didn't have the pipes in the 60's, 70's, or the 80's.
I'll go so far to say that she was a compitant singer, a serviceable singer. I just don't think... again IMO... that she was a great singer, or a fabulous singer worthy of being rated as singer among singers. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | hmmmmmm
Let me just say that I wish.....I WISH....I had the male equivalent voice of Grace. |
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Location: south east Michigan | THATS IT!!
That's the description I was reaching for.
You hit the nail on the head Stephen.
She does have a male like quality to her voice.
(as Brad runs & ducks for cover) |
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Location: Jet City | Not a Slick fan. Hynde is even worse. Her cousin is a good friend of mine here, and I still don't like her.
Not saying they're bad or karaoke singers, I just personally don't like them. And Al, it wasn't just the one song, that was just me goofin', but there is something to be said that she played her part in THE ABSOLUTELY WORST ROCK SONG EVER!
That list is bullshit too. I see new names on there like Joss Stone, Amy Winehouse, Anna Nalick, Courtney Love...
But no Brandi Carlile?
I call BS for sure. |
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