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Location: Snellville, GA | Are you kidding? Personally I love the smell of cured resin... |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | "Not even a freshly lit cigar on the patio at sunset with the perfect drink of your choice in hand? That smells pretty damn good too! "
One of the best smells in the world!!!!
Oh man don't get me started. It snowed almost a foot last night! We thought we were done with the white stuff! Looks like it will be a couple more weeks or so before we can comfortably sit on the patio and smoke a nice stogie. |
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Location: NJ | Next weekend, we've got our first gig booked at a local Rock&Roll CigarBar . . . .
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I lifted the folloiwng from
Music and Technology
This guy is a recording engineer
I also always had a negative image of the Ovation guitars, and never liked to record them.... I thought they worked better in live situations and would never consider using them in a studio |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Ovations shine in the live situation. They also shine in the studio, but you need to know what you are doing. I hear people tell me that Ovations always have that "jangle, thin" sound recorded. My response is that I have never recorded one that sounds like that. I guess I could say that box acoustics either have that muddy low-end tone recorded, of that nasal mid-range tone, but I haven't had those problems either.
As an example we are familiar with, the guy that recorded Kaki King's first CD knew what he was doing. |
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Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma | I've recently gotten rid of a D-18 and a D-28... I liked the sound on the D-18 and loved the sound on the D-28... My nephew got the D-18 and the D-28 went to my brother so I can play them whenever I want so I got my cake and get to eat it too... The reason I got rid of them?... Too much of a hassel keeping them from getting banged around.. With my O's I've got about 60% less surface area to worry about banging up... Also, as has been said before.."more bang for the buck"... Although I did just buy a Little Martin on a whim at a local store... From such a small travel guitar the sound was incredible... also at about $259 it is by far the least expensive Martin guitar you can buy... (Except for the backpacker which really isn't a guitar).. If I destroy the Little Martin it's easliy and cheaply replaced... There are tons of guitars to own and play but I now tend to only own guitars that I DO play... |
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Location: Orange County, California | Miles,
You have to know how true this is. Having worked in car audio for years, I built allot of subwoofer eclosures, and "knew" from a very young age that the parallel surfaces would allow standing waves and cancelation within the box, thus decresing effiency. Our "O's" suffer from no such loss. I'm even surprised as to the low frequency output of the super shallow's without the center sound-hole.... |
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Location: NC | This subject will never die but keeps coming to surface! I like Martin's but personally would not fork that kind of $$ into one. My "O" is much more pleasing to the eye and like one said earlier; less surface area to scratch! To each his own......and to own each would be great! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I actually took some time this morning to do a search on "Ovation" over at the Martin board. NO, this was BEFORE work, so shut up Cliff.
Anyway, of course there was plenty of Ovation bashing. But I read one post that I think sums all of this up perfectly. Quote:
"You won't read much good about Ovations here. Has nothing to do with the fact that they are good or not good. It's just that this is the Martin forum and we are all very biased even though we would never come out and say that. If you want to read good things about Ovation go over to www.ovationfanclub.com where people really love them, just like we love our Martins."
I'd say that is pretty much right on the money. Exchange the words Ovation and Martin, and that most could have been written here. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Martin Season!" |
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Location: Orange County, California | I'm pretty sure that Ovation could produce a really nice flat-back all wooden guitar with little difficulty. It would play and sound as nice as any current Mar-Tay-Larv-a-hickey out there. I'm certain that even "given" the technology (reverse engineering allowed even) No one besides Ovation could produce as nice guitar using modern materials and manufacturing techniques. The learning curve for composites is steep and expensive. I'm not surprised that the O&A prototypes are "players" as well. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Dave, i just read your earlier post a few posts back about why doesnt Ovation try an all wooden guitar.Well, thats what im attempting right now exept its not a roundback.The top is spruce with apaulettes,the sides are traditional rosewood.The neck will be carved slothead just like early slotheads.I have always wondered what it would sound like.I had posted some pics of the project but did not get much attention or exitement so i just add the pics of this ongoing project on the gallery now.I have also brought this project to the attention of Ovation.They are curious about how it turns out.I plan to let them see it and play it when its all done in about two to three more months.
One of the drawbacks to this wooden ovation project is,what if it sounds really,really good?Does it disprove 40 years of lyrachord technology and 40 years of marketing?I dont know if Ovation could build a wooden ovation or adamas.Can plastic and wood back co-exist within the same company?I know rainsong is building a graphite top guitar with mahogany back and sides.Now martin is building a graphite top guitar.Other guitar makers are trying different things so why couldnt ovation build a high end wooden guitar and go after taylor and martins traditional guitar market? I would love to see this happen.I would like to hear Bill's thoughts on an ovation wood guitar?Mine will be ready in about three months.. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I thought we did this once already
(the order implies no preference)
Martin-Ovation
Mercedes-BMW
Ford-Chevy
Sunrise-Sunset
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Sam, I also was not referring to a round back guitar. Build a wooden box! I am aware of your project and saw your photos. I'm extremely interested in the result. We OFC'ers "hate" the fact that wooden box players are not open minded enough to consider Ovation a serious guitar. Yet we same people are also not open minded about the prospects of change, even to the extreme of a wooden box Ovation. Interesting to hear that even the re-designed Contour Bowl of the 05 Collectors was not favored by some at Ovation. They didn't want to let go of the past. I say, bring it all on and build the best damn thing you can with it. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I have a roundback, wooden guitar, based on the dimensional specs of a shallow bowl Adamas cutaway. Beautiful to look at, fun to pick, the sound unremarkakle. That is to say...not bad, not incredible, in that middle ground of average. But the one thing i must say for it...it is as loud as any full size (not jumbo) wood box guitar at 2/3rds their depth. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Don't they already have a wooden box in the family called Takamine. Please don't change the Ovation style! |
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Location: NW Ohio | I find it interesting that here you can carry on a discussion on a brand that isn't the "favorite son" of the forum and not get mostly negative comments. It was suggested moving this entire thread over to the Martin forum. I'll bet that would light a fire that would make Chicago of decades ago look like a marshmellow roast! |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | As stated in another post, after visiting G.C. this weekend, my favorite guitars there were a D-15 and the 1777-LX Very sweet! It may have been the new strings but the Martin sure played and sounded nice. |
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Location: SoCal | I just want to point out that I've never said anything negative regarding Martins. I was just surprised when a $7k Martin didn't appeal to me as much as a 1537 and an 87 Collectors.
There are a lot of great guitars out there that aren't Ovations. Ovations just happen to be my preference.
As to Dogshits, I mean Taylors, they are good guitars but extremely overpriced. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Interestign readings on the M board. They consider Taylor "OK" for live work, but totally unacceptable acoustically. I do see a lot of people playing Taylor on stage. Are their electronics any good? I would still claim Ovation is the best plugged in guitar. Dave |
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Location: SoCal | I've never played a Taylor "plugged in" but have taken some time to tour the "expression system" on the Taylor site. Looks to me as a step backwards to when Ovation had the stacked knobs. Website spends a fair amount of time explaining interface with the amp, how to set a tuner inline, etc. Didn't see any mention of XLR.
Wasn't there such a high volume of complaints from Taylor users that they shut down the forum?
Looked to me like the OP-24 was a better choice and that is dated. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The Ovation still has the best plugged in sound to my ears. Taks are OK but a little to thin (bright). A combination of Tak and O on stage is nice. I've heard alot of Alvarez that sound bad plugged in and a bunch of Martins that sound good. I think the Fishbreath system, properly installed could make most anything sound good.
I also played a Garrison today, a nice sounding $350 POS. For a beach guitar or beater it's great. Right up there with a Seagull although probably a bit more money. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Talk about Smell.
I love the smell of the cigar humidor room at the tobacco store and the smell of fresh made Colombian Coffee.
Guitars, I'd rather play them than smell them.
My Martin Guitars sound awesome but so do my Ovations. Style and mood are the reasons I pick one over the others for a given song or venue.
For consistancy and durability the Ovation is probably going to my preferred choice.
No I will not part with my Martins either. |
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Location: NJ | garrison???
oh man I would rather own an MOB |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I didn't say I bought it!!! Just that it sounded good. Both that and the MOB are POS but at least the Garrison isn't totally ugly.
On to smell. I can't tell if this is real or percieved but when I play the Brazilian Collings they give off this great rosewood smell, different from Martins. Also the type of finish used will give off some oders, particularly the catalized lacquers. Plain old nitro-lacq is still the best in my book (even with all the associated problems it has)
However, there is NOTHING like the smell of binary resine in the morning, it smells like victory! |
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Ovations v. Martins
