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TWA
Posted 2005-04-06 4:21 PM (#155901 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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Originally posted by Bluebird:
The guitar George is playing is called a Fender Bass VI with a 30" scale and I think is normally tuned as a baritone.

What's the story on the Rick, Jérôme?

Wayne
I stand corrected.
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Jérôme
Posted 2005-04-06 4:24 PM (#155902 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles



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Sorry Cliff,

You're right. I've take a look in my dictionnary and "Palissandre" in French is "Rosewood" in English.

Here is the original George's Fender guitar:





And I very "jealous" of Samova.....
I didn't know he is the owner of this beauty!!
It's a dream for a Beatles & Ovation fan like me. ;)
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Bluebird
Posted 2005-04-06 4:31 PM (#155903 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles



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You're right about the Tele, Cliff. However, after they made his, they produced about 200 to sell to the GP. I had one but like a dumb-ass, I sold it.

Wayne

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cliff
Posted 2005-04-06 4:39 PM (#155904 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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Wow! NICE guitar, Wayne!


. . . dumbass.


;)
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Jimmy James
Posted 2005-04-06 6:24 PM (#155905 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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Ahhh...if you'll indulge me a quick story:

I went to Quarry Bank school in Liverpool (where John went, and where he formed his first band, The Quarrymen)

When I was fifteen, the BBC came to do a dramatisation of John Lennon's life, and the director thought it'd be a good idea to get some lads from the school to play John and his mates.

I was a gobby little kid, and blagged myself a tiny little speaking part in the film as Pete Shotton, the washboard player(!) - whilst we were hanging around waiting in-between takes, I picked up "John"'s guitar and the rest is...well not exactly history, but I'm still working on it...
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Beal
Posted 2005-04-06 8:28 PM (#155906 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles



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That is a later 60's Fender 6 string bass that George is playing. Not sure how it was strung, E to E or sometimnes they were A to A, more like a baritone.

(Don't you hate it when you post a reply and THEN notice there's a second page? I'll leave the first part stand anyway)

Cliff, It was a solid rosewood tele as described. I thought it was recently sold at auction for something stupid in the 400,000 range, or maybe that was just the asking price. The one I had at New Year's was all Koa and chambered and it now has a twin that is rosewood that only cost me 1 for the parts. They make a pretty guitar but when all the emotion is gone the Koa sounds better, is lighter and all around a better guitar to play.
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57DuoJet
Posted 2005-04-06 8:43 PM (#155907 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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Originally posted by paulmac:
This is a 350 Jetglo.

The same guitar as John even if some people can tell me that John's Rickenbacker was a 325 jetglo.
George has played a lot of models like Höfner, Gretch (most of models available in the 60's), Epiphone (Emperor & Casino), Fender Telecaster(Mahogany wood & a black one) & Stratocaster, Gibson SG (on Revolution), Rickenbacker 330 & the first 330/12 especially made for him in 65, and more and more and more...
George is surely one of the greatest guitar player that i've ever heard and my favorite one.
Not a "guitar hero" but you can't imagine the work he has done with the Beatles. He was the friend of the greatest in the world (E.Clapton, C.Atkins, K.Perkins...) and today I miss him...
Paul was playing with his famous Höfner Bass till 1966. But he also played on the first Rickenbacker 4001-S. This legendary bass was given to him in 64 or 65 but this instrument was too heavy for playing on stage. That's why the first time he used his 4001-S was on "Sergeant Pepper".

But we're on the OFC board and not on the Beatles Board...
And I've never seen a picture of the Beatles with an Ovation during the 60's!!!
Paul has received two Slothead in 1976 and there's some pictures of Denny Laine with one of these beauty during the "Wings" period!!
And Paul is also playing on a "Custom Legend" on the "Wings over America" tour.

Jérôme :cool:
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57DuoJet
Posted 2005-04-06 8:52 PM (#155908 - in reply to #155876)
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George was very fond of Gretsch guitars, he's quoted saying that his 57 Duo-Jet was his first good guitar. Most people remember the Country Gent that he used during the first Ed Sullivan shows. The Ric 12 string was actually a 360-12 given to him by Rickenbacker while he was sick back at the hotel. They wanted him to use thier amps also but thier manager Brian had a handshake deal with Vox. He had a Tennessean that you see during the Shea stadium concerts.
The Strat was originally blue and he painted it pyschodelic and named it Rocky. He used a Gibson SG and an Epiphone Casino with a Bigsby trem as well. He also had a red LesPaul given to him by Clapton after he used it to do the lead on While my guitar gently weeps.
Just my 2 cents to add.
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cliff
Posted 2005-04-06 9:27 PM (#155909 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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Yeah Bill, I remembered the koa one from NewYear's, and you showed me the recently finished rosewood one "DownIsland", (I like the hardware, btw). Can't say I like the look of one better'n the other. Both are nice, just "differnt". I guess I could see how the lighter koa'd resonate a little more (and be easier on the back).
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Bluebird
Posted 2005-04-06 9:47 PM (#155910 - in reply to #155876)
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The rosewood I had was a boat anchor...heavier than a Les Paul even though it was the slightly later version that had a sandwiched body with hollowed chambers instead of a solid slab like the first few. This design made it feel head-heavy with that solid rosewood neck.
It had a nice funky, almost semi-hollow sound though, because of those chambers.

Wayne
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Waskel
Posted 2005-04-07 9:11 AM (#155911 - in reply to #155876)
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At least we came to an agreeable conclusion to the original question - it's a Fender Bass VI.
Thanks, Bluebird!




1961 Fender Bass VI

Fender Bass VI
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-04-07 9:33 AM (#155912 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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Wow! I knew you guys would have the answers. So did they use a backing track or not, since George is playing bass?

EDIT: ANd where can I get a Tele like George's? Obviously, I won't be able to afford George's. But it does look sweet, and I'm a tele fan. I used to have a blonde 56 tele with a white pick guard ... but ... I sold it.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-04-07 9:43 AM (#155913 - in reply to #155876)
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Yes, they used a backing track for everything but the vocals.
Here\'s a page that talks about it, scroll to the bottom for Hey Jude/Revolution.
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-04-07 10:02 AM (#155914 - in reply to #155876)
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The Musician's Union had banned lip-syncing, huh? Hmmmm...
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schroeder
Posted 2005-04-07 11:07 AM (#155915 - in reply to #155876)
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Over here about 3 years ago, despite the members voting against, the Musicians Union let DJs in. They classify them as Affiliated Entertainers or something.

Which is a bit like describing Joss Stone as a soul singer.
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cliff
Posted 2005-04-07 11:11 AM (#155916 - in reply to #155876)
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. . . with that rationale, anyone who participates in a friggin' karaoke bar should be getting union benefits . . .
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schroeder
Posted 2005-04-07 11:32 AM (#155917 - in reply to #155876)
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that's what we all thought - but unions do like more members........
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Bluebird
Posted 2005-04-07 3:01 PM (#155918 - in reply to #155876)
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Hizzoner;

Here is a Fleabay auction for one of the MIJ reissues that looks pretty nice but will probably go for about 2K in the end. One of the original USA versions, when they turn up, go for about 6K+

Wayne

MIJ Rosewood Telecaster

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Beal
Posted 2005-04-07 3:53 PM (#155919 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles



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Mine would go for $1500 but it doesn't have a pickguard or fingerboard dots or that nice Fender case. It does have that nice El Dorado gold hareware though. Anyone interested, let me know.
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-04-07 4:09 PM (#155920 - in reply to #155876)
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MIJ ... Good ... in the same sentence? Can it be true?
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schroeder
Posted 2005-04-07 4:10 PM (#155921 - in reply to #155876)
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Never driven a Lexus? ;)
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Jeff
Posted 2005-04-07 7:43 PM (#155922 - in reply to #155876)
Subject: Re: OT: The Beatles


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I can vouch for the quality of the Japanese made Fenders. I own a MIJ 50's reissue Strat as a back up to my American Deluxe Series Strat, and it's a very solid, well built guitar. I bought it with the intention of upgrading the pickups right out of the box, but so far I've been very pleased with the tone and output of the stock Japanese p/u's.

Jeff
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Bluebird
Posted 2005-04-07 8:21 PM (#155923 - in reply to #155876)
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I agree, Jeff. The MIJ stuff, especially the reissues are very good. My mid-eighties reish '62 strat does a very convincing imitation of the several real ones I had.

Wayne
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Jeff
Posted 2005-04-07 8:34 PM (#155924 - in reply to #155876)
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Hey Wayne,

Isn't there a story in Fender lore of the heads of Fender's US operation being humbled to the point of tears when they saw the first Japanese reissues because they were not only such accurate reproductions but also of superior quality to what Fender USA was producing at the time?

Jeff
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Bluebird
Posted 2005-04-07 8:48 PM (#155925 - in reply to #155876)
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I think current owner Bill Shultz apon aquiring the company said something to the effect that the first thing they had to do was to get the quality of Fender USA up to snuff with Fender Japan...and eventually, they did.

Wayne
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