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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | This is just my opinion, but this is a public board read by people of all ages. I understand the frustration we are all feeling dealing with the horror hurricane Katrina has brought to the gulf coast area. I just see no reason to have posted those lyrics Matt. |
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Location: SoCal | Matt, you have the ability to delete your own post...would suggest (and I ask you) to consider deleting.
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Location: NJ | I agree. |
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Location: Hernando Beach (Tampa area) | Done - but I do hope people pay attention to what is being spewed as "art." Our kids get bombarded with it 24-7 -- and even if we don't want to see it -- it's rumbling though their heads on ipods, radio, and music video with repetition any propagandist would be proud of. The next time a kid pulls up with the radio booming so loud it shakes the car -- roll the window down and listen to the lyrics (if you can deciper them) - they're playing a warning to society and our civilization . . .
By in large, the vast majority of people I see in New Orleans are doing what they're told to do, even to the point of starving and dying of thirst. I'm on call to go out there at the moment with a medical team and urge everyone to get on the list as a volunteer or to donate. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Our friend LeStrange1 is O.K.
She and her home weathered the storm. I will let her tell her own story as she sees fit
Lestrange, we are relieved and very pleased you made it through the storm. |
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Location: Evansville,IN | The situation on the gulf coast is an out and out tragedy. The worse thing is there are about 2 more months of hurricane season left. This could repeat itself at anytime.
The government should have been on standby 48 hours before this happened. The thing that makes New Orleans the worst is all the flooding. The other areas just didn't have the flooding. It will take a lot of time and effort to fix the whole city. Hopefully everyone that can be saved will be saved. :) |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Oh man, here we go again. :( |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | But LeStrange1 is OK :D |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Very glad our favorite "Heart Fan" is OK. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Mr. Calman,
What an insensitive load of dribble you've unloaded on this board. Most people that stayed didn't choose to stay, they had no choice. Most who stayed were not sick and elderly, most were without transportation or money. How insensitive your remarks were. Also, a lot of people, tourists, visitors and natives alike were turned away from the airport at the height of the evacuation because the planes refused to fly anymore out. This was long before the storm hit. These were not poor or indigent people waiting on the planes. The authorities could have ordered planes to finish evacuating but they did not. They could have ordered busses to get the other people out, they did not. What does our tax money funding emergency preparedness do? Plain and simple these people were abandoned at their greatest hour of need and our government was at fault. These people did not create the situation. What an insensitive thing to say!
CAAALICCCCK! |
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Location: SoCal | TWA, you probably won't be reading this, but you're wrong in condemming Tony. He didn't rip the reason why people stayed, just that they stayed for whatever reason.
And, fyi, the city did offer evacuation prior to the storm hitting. They had buses waiting to go. For whatever reasons they had, people decided to stay. I would guess that for a great number of them, they couldn't imagine a disaster of this magnitude happening. None of us could.
Re read the posts and don't get mad. Nobody said anything like what you imagined. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | "Yet, the fact is that the thousands that did not (or could not) evacuate created this tragedy."
Mr. Moody,
This is a direct quote from Mr. Calman.
Now, maybe I just woke up stupid but I don't think anyone left behind created the tragedy. I think maybe the storm and the poor evacuation planning and the weak levee system created the tragedy. |
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Location: SoCal | Cannot or did not is a factual statement, not passing judgment on anybody, nor going into the reason for "cannot or could not". There is nothing derogatory in that statement. And it was the fact that people were there that caused the tragedy of this magnitude.
Seems to me, TWA, that you are the only person passing judgment here.
Call me stupid (many have and it doesn't bother me), but I don't see what your problem is. If Tony had said that people were too stupid or lazy to leave, well, that's another matter. But he never even implied that.
Please enlighten me here. Tell me what I'm missing. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Look, I'm not trying to win a pissing contest here. You missed my point. please re-read my last post. What I am talking about is the notion that the people left behind created the tragedy. That to me is a very insensitive statement. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | TWA, I am from Louisiana, and I am seeing first hand the trauma caused by hurricane Katrina. I am with moody on this one. Also "Mr.Calman" is a good friend of mine, and he is not an "insensative" person.
And no matter what options were offered, a great number of these people would have never left. I can tell you first hand that many gulf coast residents have an attitute that they have been through storms before, and they can ride this one out. |
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Location: SoCal | But it's the fact that there were people there that makes this the disaster that it is. As bad as it is, buildings can be rebuilt and things can be replaced. But people, well, that's why this was so horrible.
In your first post, you ripped Tony a new one for being callas about why people stayed. That was why I stepped in (yeah, like Tony needs my help).
Look, let me be clear and maybe we can agree on this (it's what Tony said in the first place, or at least it's how I read his post): It's the fact that people were there, regardless of why they were there, that caused this to be the tragedy that it was. Not that the people there, by their actions while at the scene, caused the tragedy. Just by the fact that they were at the scene and didn't or couldn't get out.
Go back and read Tony's original comment with that perspective. I know Tony personally. He's a good guy. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | I agree my opening statement in my first post was emotional. I've watched the all news programs all weekend and listened to all the political finger pointing and Mr. Calman's post struck me as being politically motivated. I guess mine was too. I apologize for hijacking this thread. |
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Location: SoCal | You wanna talk guitars? I'm all for that. "... and in the mornin', I'm makin' waffles!" |
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Location: Snellville, GA | OK, I'm thinking about putting a pickguard on my Balladeer... |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by TWA:
OK, I'm thinking about putting a pickguard on my Balladeer... Careful, there, TWA. For that you might get banned. :D |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | No pickguards on an Ovation! Well if you have an MOB it's ok. You really can't hurt the looks of that guitar. :) |
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Location: Snellville, GA | One more thing and I'll let it rest, I hope nobody thought I was namecalling when I said, "...maybe I just woke up stupid..." I was referring to myself. That's all. |
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Location: Hernando Beach (Tampa area) | I can well understand the interest in pickguards, after all -- finish is everything.
Have not left for the coast yet, seems they want a reserve of people to go in as the intial wave burns out. This is going to be a very long and painful process, urge everyone to visit your state registry and register to help (real manpower), even if it's playing in a shelter, everyone can do something tangible.
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Location: SoCal | Feel free to call me stupid. My 13 year old daughter has called me much worse......
My folks were just here for breakfast (waffles as a matter of fact), and my dad and I agree that the gulf area hit the hardest is going to bounce back faster than the pundits are predicting. There's going to be a lot of building going on which is going to mean jobs for a lot of people. While the relief effort is really just getting underway, in a few months it's going to pick up steam... |
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Location: Snellville, GA | My feelings exactly. Also It's good to see all the other countries, friends and foes, anteing up to help. |
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