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Location: NW of Philadelphia | I would notify the store no matter what. If someone cleaned it with the wrong stuff, it could be a chemical reaction. If so, a new bowl is in order. Hopefully, this is not the case. |
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Location: Portland, OR | There is at least one black Nakao N769 Craftsman. You can track the grain pretty easily, but the thing I like best is the contrast with the abalone. Kind of like the striking thing for me on the Central Park video is the way that contrast shows up on Simon's CL.
I heard that went to Carrie Fisher as part of their divorce settlement and recently sold for charity a few years back as I recall. Here's a link but doesn't say how much it went for:
http://customlegendfan.blogspot.com/2008/05/ovation-guitar-tribute-...
http://www.forbes.com/2001/09/19/0919pow.html
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Black is Beautiful: '87C-5
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Location: Chicago | The finish on my Al Dimeola (1769 II AD) is sort of transluscent. You can see and appreicate the grain of the wood through the black finish: it would be tough to hide a serious blemish or some other trick. I'm not sure how they did it, but it is a thing of beauty. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | I love black guitars!
And yes, you can see the grain through the finish. Here it is a perfectly grained Engelman spruce:
Beste regards,
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Nice one Kurt. Merry Christmas ! |
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Location: Tampa Bay area, FL | Or the super rare maybe-one-of-a-kind Viper T!!
(just had to add this pic!)
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Location: Chicago | Thanks, Kurt: my point exactly! |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I love Black guitars... I kinda like 'em myself...
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Location: Michigan | Ok guys here is what I am looking for. I do not know if it exists or what model it would be.
-Deep Bowl
-1 7/8 nut width
-Prefered not cut away
-steel string
-Black
-Electronics needed but no preference
Is there such an Ovation out there? |
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Location: Utah | Al has some black textured top non-cutaway Adamas. May or may not have electronics. They may not be 1 7/8 nut, though. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The last 1-7/8 steel string was the old model Folklore 1114/1614. There were a few made in black but not many. Once they introduced the flushed mexican blanket everything went to 1-3/4 except the classicals. Today the only 6 string with 1-7/8 is the Classic LX.
Your best bet if you really want 1-7/8 would be to find a black Legend or Balladeer 12-string and just string it up with 6 strings.
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Location: south east Michigan | Aren't twelve string tops braced to hold up to 12 strings worth of tension??
The 12 string top might not perform as expected with just six strings.
But what do I know... I'm just a friend of an idiot who sells gear for a living. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | "Grafter" is an old Pacemaker that "lost his head". I fabricated a replacement, but only with 6 tuners (nice ones, too!). Strung it up with mediums (.012-.056), and it "put out" real well.
As with all my critters, it was not destined to a dreary, neglected existence with a bottomfeeder luthier, so it is now enjoying life in a sunnier clime, appreciated, & played regularly!
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Location: Munich, Germany | Originally posted by twistedlim:
Ok guys here is what I am looking for. I do not know if it exists or what model it would be.
-Deep Bowl
-1 7/8 nut width
-Prefered not cut away
-steel string
-Black
-Electronics needed but no preference
Is there such an Ovation out there? Dave's idea might be the best regarding to costs, but I'd hate the idea of having a large, heavy twelve string head on a "six string".
The best would be to custom order your guitar the way you want it. Make sure before you do to know WHAT you want. A-bracing to my ears corresponds much better with a deep bowl center hole than the scalloped-X.
Your guitar could nearly look like this -
my custom order Country Artist in Black - KLICK!
Best regards,
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Which reminds me of a topic I've been hesitant to bring up here. I know all of you who have "bearclaw" guitars think they are great, but I have to tell you, bearclaw is NOT a desirable feature. It restricts the vibrations on the top and reduces the sound. Back in the old days, it was my job to grade wood for the tops, and as pretty as it was, I was instructed to have any bearclaw tops painted. For the bast sounding guitar, what you want is an extremely tight and even grain. Yes and no. True, Back in the day, when Adirondack spruce was plentiful and Sitka was considered a poor second, spruce lumber showing bearclaw figure would be down-graded or rejected. But it was on appearance only. Bearclaw certainly does nothing detrimental tonaly, or structually for that matter. It's just that now, much like Brazillian Rosewood or Hawaiian Koa, it's gotten some mythology (aka bull$**t) attached to it, and premium prices can be asked. Which is nonsense really. Some builder are stating that their guitars are made with "Master Grade Bearclaw Spruce. Not long ago this would have been a contradiction in terms. But with really good spruce getting more expensive and harder to find, what's a little marketing BS between friends?
Bearclaw only appears in old-growth spuce. Old growth invariably has a very dense, even grain structure which produces tops with the highest strength to weight ratio. (that's why carbon fibre works so well) The are other advantages to this grain density, such as it's velocity of sound, which gives bearclaw, and any other spruce of similar quality it's very quick, snappy response. The rippling of the longitundinal fibres which create the bearclaw patterns do not have any detrimental affects tonally, but neither do they produce any benefits. Bearclaw is no better or worse than comparable spruce without the figuring, it sounds good because of it's grain structure, not because a of cosmetic flaw. But the way it's being marketed leads the consumer to believe that the bearclaw figure is the key to it's sound, when in fact they are just asking premium prices for cosmetically flawed wood. Personally I like the look of bearclaw, and I've never heard a bad-sounding guitar with a bearclaw top. |
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Location: Michigan | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
The last 1-7/8 steel string was the old model Folklore 1114/1614. There were a few made in black but not many. Once they introduced the flushed mexican blanket everything went to 1-3/4 except the classicals. Today the only 6 string with 1-7/8 is the Classic LX.
Your best bet if you really want 1-7/8 would be to find a black Legend or Balladeer 12-string and just string it up with 6 strings.
Toby The 1614 sounds perfect, anybody have a black one to sell? :) |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Wow Paul, what a clear explanation ....!! |
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Location: Scotland | A temporary abberation. I've just cracked a bottle of vintage Port. That's the last spark of clarity you'll be getting from me tonight. |
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| Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
A temporary abberation. The clarity of information was not the aberration, 'twas the lack of impatience and dearth of cynicism in the reply that surprised us all :D |
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Location: NJ | christ! . . . . DON'T get him "started" . . . |
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Location: south east Michigan | 'twas the lack of impatience and dearth of cynicism in the reply that surprised us all
Oh my.
Now all we have to do is sit and wait for the Vintage Port to kick in. |
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| Brad - Paul knows I'm yanking his chain. He and I are kindred spirits - neither one of us suffers fools and incompetents gladly. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | "...vintage Port"?
I learn something from that guy every time he posts. I didn't know there was such a thing! That's kinda like a "pre-war Esteban", ain't it? :D |
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