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Location: Studio City, California, USA | 10K hu? Sloth Head?
Hum, hum??????? Not a too bad deal. ;0) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I love Taylors. Never owned any, played a couple. The reason I love them is that a friend bought one for $2400 and told my wife, who recognized immediately that "Mark hasn't spent that much on all of his Ovations." He also spent a ton more on some amp I never heard of, which cost more than the Taylor.
Taylors make me look reasonable. I love them.
By the way, Dave, I hope your wife's name isn't Cindy. |
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | Oh yeah,
Like an old friend used to tell me when i was a kid: "Ced, it is not the guitar that makes the guitarist, it is the guitarist that makes the guitar".
Thank you very much
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My friend was a reasonably good musician and I assume he still is, although I haven't heard him play or sing since our wedding 28 years ago. Problem is God didn't bless him with the best voice. Sometimes there is nothing we can do. If I could play guitar like my daughter plays piano, maybe I'd upgrade to............a 1537 or and Adamas or the redwood Collector's that's on ebay, but then I'd have to get my daughter a Steinway first. |
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Location: SoCal | Ced, call Paul Stebner. He owns a place up in Tustin called Guitar Remedy and he's an authorized Ovation repair guy. His number is 714/544-8350. He's a great guy.
As to the rest of this debate, it's kinda silly. If you want a Martin sound, then by a Martin. Same for Taylor. Martins and Taylors don't sound the same. Ovations don't sound like either one.
I've played my 1537 against a $7k EC 00-42. They didn't sound the same. The 1537 was better.
You guys are arguing over the different flavors of ice cream. How can you say vanilla is better than chocolate?
I've said this before, but it bears repeating... I don't ask that others feel about my guitars the way I do. I just hope they feel about their guitars they way I feel about mine.
Now go have a bowl of ice cream.
By the way, unlike ice cream, all peanut butter is not the same. Peter Pan smooth is the best. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Abendicum:
I compared the sound of the 2005ES with some other LX's hanging in my local GC and didn't hear a great difference... Ab, I didn't say the CB was any better sounding than a roundback. To me it's just more comfortable. Feels more like a wooden box guitar. But I can understand that you have different likes and dislikes than I do. That's OK. You're still wrong, but that's OK. ;) |
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Originally posted by Ced:
To illustrate, just think of WIllie Nelson's classical guitar. He found in a dunpster, i think or aomehting like that.
I often wonder where these guitar urban legends come from. Just to set the record straight, he did NOT find the guitar in a dumpster, or any where else where it might have been discarded.
Willie had broken his prior guitar. He sent to his repair guy who had also installed the pickup that Willie loved. The repair guy called Willie and told him the guitar was beyond repair. Willie asked the repair guy if he had any more of the destroyed guitar. The repair guy, who owned a guitar store, told Willie there weren't any more of his broken guitar's model, but the repair guy did have this new Martin in stock that Willie might like. Willie asked if his pickup (by now long discontinued) could be fitted to the Martin. The repair guy said he thought he could get it to fit. Willie told him to fit the pickup and send the guitar to him. So, he bought a new Martin sight unseen.
It's not as interesting or entertaining as having rescued it from a dumpster, but it's the true story. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | 4 years ago I bought a Taylor 514CE, I wanted another Ovation (own a CL 1619)but during that period O's were big with the shallow body models. I bought a 177LX when thay first came out and I will match that against the Taylor any day. The LX legend has qualities(sound, action, electronics) that rival Taylor. Both are very good guitars. The Taylor Co., however, has pulled off some very slick marketing, that set the brand apart from many guitars. I also agree that the O's import line hurts their image. The new customer would generalize the entire Ovation line. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Yep, would be nice if they took the "Ovation" off the headstock and put "Celebrity" on it. In fact, I believe they DID for a while, I've seen pictures of guitars that had that.
Part of the problem is the solid brand identity that the round bowl gives, it would still be known as an Ovation.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I've got a Hondo that I bought in England 15 years ago. It's got a solid wood top (unknown variety) and it's now 25 years old and sounds great.
Looks like a Martin from across the room too! (a very large room)
I wonder if it sounds like a Martin. Could one of you Martin owners send me one to compare.
I'll give it back, honest!
'cause I prefer O's anyway. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by muzza:
I've got a Hondo that I bought in England 15 years ago. It's got a solid wood top (unknown variety) and it's now 25 years old and sounds great.
Looks like a Martin from across the room too! (a very large room)
I wonder if it sounds like a Martin.
:rolleyes:
it doesn't...
hey, some women are happy with cubic zerconium instead of diamonds. and some aren't bright enough to know the difference.
"...yeah, my buddy has this crate half stack and it sounds just as good as any marshall man, plus- it's so much cheaper!" :rolleyes: |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Due to an an occupational hazzard (I'm constantly reading) my eyes are permanently focused at about 2 feet away from my face. When I take off my glasses, everyone and everything (including guitars) look great, as if I'm looking thru a sort of watery gauze. For me, the room doesn't have to be so large. |
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Location: Hernando Beach (Tampa area) | Moody P.I. wrote: "As to the rest of this debate, it's kinda silly. If you want a Martin sound, then by a Martin. Same for Taylor. Martins and Taylors don't sound the same. Ovations don't sound like either one."
That's my take on it too. As an example (from following the Hamer website for a year or so (finally signed up -- nice friendly bunch kinda like a shark petting zoo), I've seen numerous instances of people taking great guitars (Hamer specifically) and totally gutting them, installing all new electronics, moving the bridge, doing all sorts of things to sound like a Les Paul. Only one problem with that -- it's still a Hamer. The guys in the front row with the beer-bellies and the chicks aren't going to look at the headstock and think "now that's a Les Paul sound!" They don't know who he is or care . . . What they do care about (from Prince Albert Hall to the local beer joint) is if you can play what is in your hands at the time. I have never understood buying one thing to try to have it be some other thing -- it isn't, never will be, and it shouldn't be.
What is "better sound?" That depends on what your ears are tuned to. If you're looking for a certain sound, then you buy a certain thing (for whatever reason (and don't discount snobbery, it does play a role in some people (and for a few the only role). The comment on Nelson above is telling -- the guitar was bought sight unseen. He didn't spend hours worrying over it, comparing it to this and that -- he just bought the thing and started making it play in his way . . .
What is the "standard?" How about being in tune? To me, that's what sets Ovation apart and the reason it is the working guitar for so many -- it simply stays in tune. From a concert to a street corner, the average person or pro can tune it easily, efficiently, and it stays that way for extremely long periods.
As you can see, I'm practicing with the Hamer today - give me a little time to change into my NOMEX suit before flaming please . . .
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Location: south east Michigan | Well said Matt!
I was 18 years old when I bought my Breadwinner. At that young age I expected I could make anything sound like a Gibson SG or a Les Paul. It took a while to learn the lesson that Matt stated. |
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | @ Moody, p.i.: Thank you so much for the info i wil most surely drop some guitars there. I asume they also service electric guitars.
Again thank you so muchj, because the only people i have found around here that would service my guitars is Guitar Center, and I'm not confortable leaving my axes there when i'm not around. To many people....etc
Thank you very much
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | @ dmkozak: I'm not saying that you're wrong but i'm, not sure we're talking about the same guitar here. The one i'm talking about is classical, no pickups. Anyway, i saw that dumpster stories on several webstite about ten years ago. So could it could defently be wrong. L0L!!!!!!!
THank you very much
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Originally posted by Ced:
@ dmkozak: I'm not saying that you're wrong but i'm, not sure we're talking about the same guitar here. The one i'm talking about is classical, no pickups. Anyway, i saw that dumpster stories on several webstite about ten years ago. So could it could defently be wrong. L0L!!!!!!!
THank you very much
Ced Actually, we are talking about the same guitar; a classical Martin. Willie has had it, and used it as his primary guitar, since 1969.
The pickup is hidden inside the guitar. You can see the mount protruding from the bottom of the center hole. Yes, you probably never realized that thin metal bar running from the bottom of the center hole to the bottom of the guitar is the pickup mount and that it extends into the hole to hold the pickup.
Yes, the dumpster story is either definitely wrong, or just a joke making light of how hard Willie has strummed the top. The true story is readily available all over the net. |
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | Cool!!! now i know for sure. What got me thinking it was the same guitar is that i've seen him in concert once and yest the guitar had that thin metal bar, but he was playing it in front of a mic dedicated to the guitar for he had a singing mic also. Maybe some technical problem that day.
Again thanks for the infos, it's great to learn new things like that.
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Location: Hicksville, NY | I happen to like both Os and Ms. Depending on what song I'm either playing or practicing at the moment, I switch between the two ... it turns out that in some songs, one happens to play and sound better than the other (and vice versa). Nevertheless, I'm just glad I don't have the luxury of owning either D28s, jumbos, OMs for Ms or Elites, Collectors or LXs for Os ... just some average joe on the sidelines with much contentment with my basic guitars. :) |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I love the sound of a deep bowl Ovation and I will play any song on it, whether the original was played on a Martin, Taylor, Gibson or a Hondo (not likely) 'cause it's me playing it now, not the original artist.
I try to get the strummin' an' pickin' as close to the original as my lack of talent allows, but it still sounds good to me. Maybe I'm tone deaf!
I can only play one guitar at a time, and that guitar will always be an O. (Unless I'm playing my Fender Precision at that particular time) |
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Location: Flushing, MI | Very interesting thread. I've yet to play the new contoured bowl models. I was just at Guitar Center the other day too. I played a couple of low end Martins and Gibsons, but the one acoustic that caught my ear the most happened to be the only deep bowl Ovation in the room (there's were lots of super shallows though). It was some new, super duper model - I didn't catch the name - but it was all painted up with hod rod flames on the top. It sounded WAY better than I thought the paint job would allow! It was also about $1000.
I've played TONS of Martins (including pre-war, and I own a 34 0-17), old Gibsons, etc. etc. and I honestly think that my 81 Legend holds up with the best of 'em in playability, and tone. It doesn't sound like a Martin, or Gibson. It has it's own tone - one that I like. Good 'nuff. |
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Location: Hicksville, NY | For me, joining the praise team in my church, is a calling that's long overdue. For years, I ushered, taught ESL and Sunday school, co-lead Bible Study groups, serve as a Deacon, but never got involved with the praise team. Today, I got to rehearse with the talented guys and gals for the very first time.
For the convenience of plugging in without much hassles, I brought my balladeer with me. This guitar's sweet sound really surprised me today, as I played alongside with our praise team leader who was playing with a Taylor 310ce.
While taking a break, the bass player borrowed my O, and had a little jam session with the praise team leader. I sat and listened to these guys play ... unless there's something wrong with my ears, this shallow bowl O can go head to head with the T 310 anytime. It even held itself very well when he played lead with it. As for the T, I was impressed at the guitar's clean and crisp tone, but its brightness held me back. The O has an obvious bright tone, but it sounded just right ... then again, it just might be the Op-24 preamp doing its magic? :rolleyes:
Just a pleasant experience in church today ... I thought I'd share it ;) |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | About Willie's classical pickup; I thought it was and old Baldwin Prismatone and that he also playes it into a vintage Baldwin amp.
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | Well, i was thinking that a lot of argument here about what guitar is better than other...ect stood strong until an hour ago. Now i think that you have every guitar, like adams, martin...ect that are the same thing. It is up to the player to them sound good.
And there are D'aquisto guitars. Prejection sound like the adamas. But Oh my GOD!!!!!!!! I just tried one, and within the mesure i ployed on it i knew that i was going to start saving for one right away.
Did somebody eer try one?
If not, you need to, those are just unbeatable. Even somebody who can make an Adamas sound ugly will sound awesome on one of those.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Ced:
Even somebody who can make an Adamas sound ugly will sound awesome on one of those. It must have been pretty exciting, Ced. You just contradicted your own argument. |
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enough said?
