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Does your Big "wood top Adamas" have this same transverse birch reinforcement? |
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Location: Tampa, FL | I had a Standard Elite that I noticed had what looked to be an extra lamination in and around the soundholes. I kind of thought it was for extra strength. There are some areas with very little structure in those multihole tops. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Dave,
I just looked inside my Applause and it looks like all the same grain pattern! Maybe we should swap since those non-continuous plywood models suck now? You can pick which one to send, just put on new strings if you would please.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I was thinking the same thing. Instead of putting on new strings, I'll just slip a $10 in the case and you can buy your own. Send me your address. The guitar is ready to ship.
On the other 1537 I am trying a little experiment. I figured if the extra ply is good for the upper bout, then why not try it on the lower bout as well. I didn't have any decent wood around so I ripped the top off an old shiny bowl balladeer. I cut it to fit and am now in the process of gluing it to the underside of the 1537 top. I had to cut it into smaller pieces to fit through the hatch door. It's all clamped and the glue is now drying. I'll let you know how it turns out. Oh, while I was at it inside the guitar with power tools and all that ... I drilled out the bridge and made it into a pinned type. No more need for the string tubes.
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Location: closely held secret | Congratulations, Dave. You've just built your first Fender acoustic guitar. That wasn't so hard, was it? |
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Location: boulder | mine has the reinforcing birch veneer ;) as well.
But how many 1537's (or other models) have black (wood?) curfling, holding the bowl to the top? I think most bowls have a white glaze/epoxy attaching the top to the bowl. curiouser and curiouser.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My top/bowl attachment looks like a white plastic ring. You can see where excess glue has oozed out in a few spots. Dave |
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Location: SoCal | You guys are all depressing me. I just took my 1537 and 87 Collectors and tossed them in the trash. I don't want a freakin' ply top! I'm gonna go buy a Taylor..... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Paul, don't do that. Your '87 is probably OK. It's only the 1537's that are plywood crap. Dave |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Sausages, Laws and 1537's - three things you don't want to know how their made! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | After lusting for a 1537 and finally getting one, now I find out it's plywood. I really don't care why it sounds so good. My Matrix sounds good, too and I think it's plywood. I thought my 99 Collector's sounded good and it's plywood. Actually, I thought the Celebrity Deluxe 247 that I traded for the 99 sounded better, but it was plywood.
As far as I can tell, my Balladeer is solid spruce and my Classic is solid cedar. I can't open the back of those to see for sure, so I won't even attempt to burst my bubble. |
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Location: Keller, TX | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I can't open the back of those to see for sure, so I won't even attempt to burst my bubble. Got a tiny mirror and a flashlight? |
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Location: The Shop | We used to do the eppie backers that way,now we use the two cut to size backers that dont go under the bracing. The reason the backer is tapered on the older styles, was to make the bracing sit flat on the top.Hope that answers it. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Well, there you go. But what was the purpose of the backer? Stability around the soundholes or or enhanced high end sound (according to the marketing spew). Dave |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Certainly different layers of wood will affect how a guitar sounds, affecting stability and/or timbre; luthiers do it all the time:Just look at a flame top les paul or a carvin.
I have to tell you one thing though, when you guys are taking pictures of the insides of your guitars the first thing that came to mind was a guitar colonoscopy. |
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Location: SoCal | I have to tell you one thing though, when you guys are taking pictures of the insides of your guitars the first thing that came to mind was a guitar colonoscopy. Now I was thinking more concise than that but along the exact same lines.... My thought was "anal"..... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yeah, you should have seen the look on my wifes face when I walked into the room with a mirror and flashlight. Dave |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | ....and a miner's helmet. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Yes, ttenn, I have a mirror and a flashlight, but I'm not going to use them. As long as they sound good to me, I'm happy. They didn't come up with the saying, "ignorance is bliss" for nothing. I'm also finding out that "fat, dumb and happy" has a lot of truth to it, ever since I took a serious run at the fat part.
I was trying to compete with moody and Dave's sarcasm. I should know better. |
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Location: Waurika OK | This thread made me wonder, so I took the access cover off the back of my Elite T and it does have a reinforcement under the holes.
I wondered what it would sound like playing with the cover off, tried it and it was thin and tinny sounding, wouldn't think it would make that much difference. |
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Location: SoCal | Ya know, after reading all this, even tho' it's raining, I think I'll go out to the trash cans and see if I can retreive my 1537 and 87 C... maybe they're worth holding onto after all.....
Mark, you're an attorney. Sarcasm should come naturally. It's Witko that scares the hell outta me... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Paul,
Good news is it's Marine Grade Ply. Should hold up just fine in the rain.
....Hell, you could float to Baja on it, drift on to the beach and strum to the locals for margarita money. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Too late, I just picked up you trash for you.
In all serious like - I was just pointing out a curiousity about what I saw inside the 1537. Whatever the heck Ovation did with the birch sure as hell worked because I think we all agree this is perhaps the second best sounding wood top guitar that Ovation has ever sold. Those of us lucky enough to have one should be thanking our stars. Instruments like this don't come around very often.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | and you can float to Baja on em too! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Paul, I found out by reading a trial transcript that sarcasm doesn't play well in print. Since you need to use a certain tone of voice to say one thing and have everyone know you mean the opposite, the appellate courts don't appreciate sarcasm when they read the transcript. The internet and emails have the same problem.
Dave is a true master, however. I'm still looking for the string tubes. |
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1537 Has Plywood Top ???
