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Location: Phoenix AZ | Nobody likes a good consiracy theory more than I. But I seriously doubt there is any overt policy to ship "crap" to europe and sell the better stuff in the US. I have no idea how the ovation factory runs, but it would seem impossible or at the very least impractical, that the destination of guitars is pre-ordained before they are built. Remember, Ovation builds and "sells" the guitars to Kaman music and they distribute them via their channels and foreign distributors. I doubt Kaman has any idea what's in the box when they decide that this one goes to Chicago and this one goes to Munich. In reality, keeping track of the "crap" and making sure it got to the right country would be more difficult than eliminating the problems to begin with. Dave |
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Location: SoCal | Actually, in the back of the factory there are 3 guys, Larry, his brother Daryl and his other brother Daryl, who decide which guitars go where... and they've been pissed at Europe for a long time. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | no bolts on that one. The bolts were on colored finishes because the tint didn't allow the finish to stick as well and they'd pop off sometimes. Naturals weren't a problem. What they do now I don't know since it is different finishes and colors. |
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Location: Germany | Paul, that's exactly what I believe. Thanks, now I know their names and I will do all to attend to the factory tour ..... hm, should I challenge them to a duell?
Dave, I don't believe you're right. It can't be true that some high-end guitars (#47 is currently Ovation's flagship product) leave the factory with defects in workmanship for their home market. Please let me believe this is only a regional European problem, please ......
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | All I got to say about them is that Daryl, Larry and Daryl, are true characters. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by kid-school:
hm, should I challenge them to a duell? No, challenge them to a duet. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Originally posted by kid-school:
hm, should I challenge them to a duell? No, challenge them to a duet.
They have the US quality guitars - and Karl european seconds!
No, in fact, I do not believe that the european market is treated different - but I am sure that they have a quality problem! |
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| I don't know YAK you might want to put a low E string in the g string spot someday. Your all set to do it!
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Location: NW NJ | I know my 2080 doesn't count as a collector's model like the Josh Whites, 47's, etc., but when I bought it, I had to wait three months for the next cycle of them to be made at the mothership, and it had to go back for more than a couple of cosmetic issues too. Kim was EXCELLENT in helping me get the stuff made right, but for guitars of that level of "specialness", it shouldn't have happened in the first place. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by kid-school:
the luthier at the factory left a golden varnish fingerprint on the bowl On the up side, it should be easy to track down the offender! Send a pic of the fingerprint to Moody, he can deal with it on the next factory tour.
(paging Miss Marple to the front desk!)
BTW: for our European friends; Daryl, Larry, and his other brother Daryl were three stupid characters in a U.S. sitcom you may not have seen. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Northcountry:
you might want to put a low E in the g spot NEVER put an E in your g spot....
One who knows better now |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | not at least, without a safe-word. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | The prior owner of my Ute, AlaskanFlyGuy had some issues and sent it back. I think he said there was something wrong with the slot. They replaced the neck and it looks fine, now. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | OFC Members:
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by MWoody:
My 1112 and the 1615s will have a through bolt bridge. You can tell by the MoP dots. Others in that era have them.
Not sure when the unbolted bridges started. Its a good back up with debatable effect on sound. Okay, I'm still paranoid! I'm pretty sure about the 1621. And I removed shims on the 4861, so I know it has bolts.
But I'm gonna check the GC057 next time I change the strings. They might have cheated me and just painted dots on there. (Actually, I really hope it's bolted on, cuz it has a crappy glue job. But it's a blem.) |
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Location: Germany | Thanks fillix for the info about the three brothers. Indeed, we don't know them here in Europe, at least in Germany. Nice to hear that they work for the factory now. Obvioulsy the comedy continues. Don't talk this nonsense about quality problems at the mother ship, all blah. The scamps are uncovered!
Oh, thanks an4340, I have got a mug shot now. That makes it easy for me to identify them during the factory tour. I reconsidered, no duell, I will ambush them.
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Location: CT | OK, a little update here. I emailed John Budny and gave him a little sob story hoping for a deal on a fix, and sent pix. Like, a minute later, he emails me back and says get it up here and we'll take care of it for you. THANKS!!! I had the day off work yesterday, so drove it up and dropped it off (I live a little over an hour away from the factory) and was greeted by Mr. Keller, who said it wasn't adhesive failure, but wood failure. Easy to see in this pic, that the gule is still attatched to the top surface of wood.
He said it's an easy fix and wouldnt take too long. I should have asked him if they'd put bolts on, or is the next layer of wood going to hold better. I don't have any doubt it will be fine when they're done with it. I really like that these guys stand behind their products. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | You've just met two of the best. But don't let them know it! :) |
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Location: NW NJ | Originally posted by MWoody:
You've just met two of the best. Man, is that true! |
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Location: CT | Well, it's back, and of course it looks brand new. Many thanks to John and Kim and the guys in the shop for a speedy return, and here's hoping this is the last they'll see of it.
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Location: Munich, Germany | Since my Custom Legend 12 string lost her bridge, I am always losing the strings after playing, to release the tension. But, okay, I do not play her that often.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Looks perfect. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | It's all in who you know!
Nice. |
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Location: big island | now i WOULD like to wake up to that! not quite as pretty as my wife first thing in the morning but it will do. |
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How would you like to wake up to this?
