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Tupperware
Posted 2007-02-12 11:15 AM (#115513 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by fguki:
This is created by a german trying to speak some kind of english
Far easier to understand than the Brit that posted before you!

Back to Professor Templeman. He's a gem. I plan to one day assemble all of his most excellent posts and create a reference book for all of us to share. Actually a three volume set:

Volume 1 - Guitar Physics and Acoustics
Volume 2 - Why I'm Smarter Than Jesus
Volume 3 - Lap Steel For Wankers

Read on ....

Dave
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stephent28
Posted 2007-02-12 11:44 AM (#115514 - in reply to #115488)
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Dave, make sure that is is available through the Witkopedia page!
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muzza
Posted 2007-02-12 12:41 PM (#115515 - in reply to #115488)
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Yes, those are nice slotheads.

But I change my strings a lot (for an amateur)

I really thought I'd get flamed for my previous post, but...

Anyway, not that I'd ever be able to afford one, but what would be the best sounding Adamas WITH a cutaway and WITHOUT bling? (sorry if this has been discussed) Tomorrow I will do a search for CMT and SMT so I know what Dave's talking about.

(It's 3:30am here, and the rain is just bucketting down. Impossible to sleep. And I just topped the pool up 2 days ago)
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brainslag
Posted 2007-02-12 12:48 PM (#115516 - in reply to #115488)
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So where can I order my copy of 'Lap Steel For Wankers'?
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-02-12 1:00 PM (#115517 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by muzza:
Anyway, not that I'd ever be able to afford one, but what would be the best sounding Adamas WITH a cutaway and WITHOUT bling?
Jeff W.'s U681 cutaway. AWESOME GUITAR.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-02-12 1:06 PM (#115518 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Tom_CA:
All my guitars are slotheads! I don't even know how to string a paddlehead guitar, never tried... I just love the slotheads!

Tom
I'm just the opposite. I've never owned a slothead, although there appears to be one in my future.
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cliff
Posted 2007-02-12 1:15 PM (#115519 - in reply to #115488)
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". . Jeff W.'s U681 cutaway. AWESOME GUITAR . ."


I was gonna suggest the exact same thing . . .
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stephent28
Posted 2007-02-12 1:51 PM (#115520 - in reply to #115488)
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". . Jeff W.'s U681 cutaway. AWESOME GUITAR . ."
and if I remember correctly, VERY reasonably priced.
I believe Jeff custom ordered it through Al.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-02-12 1:54 PM (#115521 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
Lanika,
When you did the search did you make sure that it was searching in the "general" forum and not one of the others?

I just did a search and came up with 241 matches.
yup, my search was in "general". i tried again last evening and got 14 matches. perhaps the servers are not always "with it"?
at any rate, based on the number of posts to this thread already, it seems as if this subject doesn't mind getting re-hashed again and again...

speaking of break angles, does anyone remember Framus guitars from Germany? what were they thinking?
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-02-12 2:13 PM (#115522 - in reply to #115488)
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Didn't Framus build the bodies for the Storm Series guitars ?

Dave
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Goober
Posted 2007-02-12 2:19 PM (#115523 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Didn't Framus build the bodies for the Storm Series guitars ?

Dave
I thought they were a whole Schaller thing, but I could be wrong. I was told that by Howard Gainer at the time. I wonder where that wiley coyote is now?
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lanaki
Posted 2007-02-12 2:21 PM (#115524 - in reply to #115488)
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in the late 60's, when i was just taking an interest in guitars (i started out in life as a drummer :cool: ), some relative gave me a Framus 12 string guitar. the headstock angled forward instead of rearward. i did not keep the guitar for long. the action was unplayable and it didn't take long for my 12 year old self to figure that out. i began to think the string tension bent the headstock forward until i saw other Framus guitars with the same design.
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-02-12 2:53 PM (#115525 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Goober:
Originally posted by Tupperware:
Didn't Framus build the bodies for the Storm Series guitars ?

Dave
I thought they were a whole Schaller thing, but I could be wrong. I was told that by Howard Gainer at the time. I wonder where that wiley coyote is now?
As far as I know the bodies came form Framus and all the hardware came from Schaller.
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Charlie Ramon
Posted 2007-02-12 3:40 PM (#115526 - in reply to #115488)
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I think Dave is right. Schaller started in 1945 with repairing radio sets (that was particular important for that time). He had very early contact to American GIs and developed a close friendship to them. As he was an average musician but an excellent technician he wanted to give the music more sound, in his own style: The Schaller hardware. He also produced guitar amps in the 60th and 70th, but never wooden guitar parts.
To my knowledge the Storm bodies and necks were made by Framus. The factory was only a few miles from my home - but unfortunately an bankrupcty proceedings was introduced in the mid 70th. Today there is a metal working company in that building.

Currently I start organizing an European OFC gathering at the Schaller factory in June or July (the factory is a stone's throw away from my home). Hope to bring some of my virtual friends together there.

Karl
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-02-12 10:58 PM (#115527 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:

Back to Professor Templeman. He's a gem. I plan to one day assemble all of his most excellent posts and create a reference book for all of us to share. Actually a three volume set:

Volume 1 - Guitar Physics and Acoustics
Volume 2 - Why I'm Smarter Than Jesus
Volume 3 - Lap Steel For Wankers

Read on ....

Dave
Please, Dave, Please! Let me help you edit this tome.

... and FWIW, I think the Original SlotHeads (and subsequent RI's) are Art.
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cliff
Posted 2007-02-13 12:23 AM (#115528 - in reply to #115488)
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I always thought of mine as an Artistic SoundPump . . .
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Tony Calman
Posted 2007-02-13 1:23 AM (#115529 - in reply to #115488)
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Frankly, I like the design of the slothead. Yet, I have the slothead and standard headstocks. I don't care if 12 fret or 14 fret, even the bowl size/non-cutaway/cutaway (although I have found the deep bowl non-cutaway is what I prefer).

To me, what is more important is all facets of the guitar combined. Sounds good, plays well, looks good.

I started "observing" the OFC in early 2003...up to that time, wood top with rosette was as extreme as I could go. I had bought a slothead Custom Legend 12-str in 1980 that excelled over any other 12-str I had owned or merely played.

Although I hadn't played an Elite, bought one off of eBay. Then Woz sold me his Millennium (CVT). Again, hadn't played any of the Adamas models. My first Adamas I (1687), again without being able to play one first.

Then, a number of Custom Legend and Collector center holes, Elite style of wood tops (to include two 1537's), Adamas (1681, 1688 12-str, 1685 12-str, four 1687's, 47RI, two SMT's, etc., etc.

Every Ovation and Adamas guitar that I have had an opportunity to own or merely play have impressed me in their voice, quality, and beauty. Some with abalone, some beautiful in their simplicity such as the 2005C. As said, a lot of different flavors.

As to the Adamas textured top (Adamas I & II, U681T, and the 47RI), you need to play them...hold them, caress them, play them. Whatever headstock, whatever bridge...you will never look at a guitar the same. I had others talk about the Adamas sound and how it should be a textured top...you must play one to understand. I have not lost any respect for my wood tops or the CVT/SMT but I am still in awe of the textured top Adamas.

An aside, the 47RI and the Adamas I are exquisite...from the carved bridge to the headstock.

The pity is that there are a number of OFC'ers that haven't been able to play an Adamas textured top...hopefully, as we have more regional get-togethers, they will have that chance.
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muzza
Posted 2007-02-13 3:34 AM (#115530 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Jeff W.'s U681 cutaway. AWESOME GUITAR.
You mean this one?

Yup. That's more like it. But the spangly colour? Is that what makes it sound so good?
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-02-13 3:35 AM (#115531 - in reply to #115488)
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And No-one mentiones that a Slothead requires certain strings to be wound many times ,in order to avoid contact with the wood,what could/would cause tuning problems,where the general consensus is that, the fewer windings,the better tuning stability...go figure..condensor mics with FET`s or Valve ,Omni or Cardioid , Big Capsule or small cap. ..and the Beat goes on.. ;)

Vic
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-02-13 6:17 AM (#115532 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by cliff:
I always thought of mine as an Artistic SoundPump . . .
Cliff, You make that sound so... dir-tay.


hey, Muzzie, for a small re-occurring monthly subscription fee, I can post ya pics of me playing that Adamas, nak'd and wearing matching sparkly red eye shadow.
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muzza
Posted 2007-02-13 6:49 AM (#115533 - in reply to #115488)
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That sounds fine Jeff. You've got a deal.

You put the subscription directly into my bank account every month (in US$) and you can send me as many photos as ya want, wearin any colour eye shadow ya want, playin any instrument ya want. :p

Will you be usin the rope that's in the photo? :eek:

Can't accuse us of innuendo - this is blatant! :D
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-02-13 7:04 AM (#115534 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Enfant Terrible aka V-Elite:
And No-one mentiones that a Slothead requires certain strings to be wound many times ,in order to avoid contact with the wood
That's a design flaw on ovation slots. The angles are wrong. Other companies slots do not have this issue. I could post pics but I'd get blasted. Dave
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-02-13 12:27 PM (#115535 - in reply to #115488)
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Dave,

Go ahead. I like the look of Martin slotheads.
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gh1
Posted 2007-02-13 1:02 PM (#115536 - in reply to #115488)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
That's a design flaw on ovation slots. The angles are wrong. Other companies slots do not have this issue. I could post pics but I'd get blasted. Dave
Actually, i'd be very interested in the comparison photo's. I can lend you my fire fighting gear if you need it.

_____
gh1
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-02-13 2:24 PM (#115537 - in reply to #115488)
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martins have the best slothead design and angles hands down.....jason
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