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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | "Imagine a world where there's one radio station"
..and where Frazier Crane is the Host...
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Radio is different for us...that's performance royalties and we get paid by BMI, ASCAP and SESAC.
OK, I'm through with my songwriter payment school. :D
The problem with radio consolidation is that play lists have shrunk to an average of 40 songs played over and over and over....boring for the listener and bad for songwriters.
BAD FOR EVERYBODY...AND SCREW CLEAR CHANNEL. :) |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Goober, I hear ya.
There are some other points that factor in:
- I'm not sure there is any way to measure that if the majority of people who download and shared music illegally would stop doing so, would they buy the music instead.
- Of the illegally downloaded or shared music, how many are doing it just because they already own the CD and just want a decent mp3 and not really ripping anyone off, just saving themselves some time.
- And this statistic, if it could be derived, is probably the most important. How many downloads caused someone to be exposed to music they would not normally think about, and they end up buying an artists whole catalog based on hearing a shared download, or, they talked about it and at least caused someone else to buy the artists work.
All good questions I think, that don't have answers. I do think that if the record companies, and unfortunately the artists and song writers loose enough, the record companies or someone else
WILL build a better mouse trap that makes it better than it ever was for the artists and songwriters.
A proven marketing strategy is to offer something for free, that entices the consumer to buy something else. I think this is where iPod was heading, maybe they still are. Imagine if the large record companies got together and made their entire catalog free. But to play the music downloaded you need one of their nifty players. And this player is so cool, that everyone wants to buy one anyway. This is a little basic, but it's just one simpletons idea.
Maybe it's time the record companies start distributing downloaded music at a reasonable price and quality to where downloading music and paying for it, is actually easier than getting the free stuff.
Aside from it being cheaper, I use AllOfMp3 to download because the system is lightyears ahead of iTunes. The catalog is better, the quality is better, the interface is better and I can download in any format I want. To top it all off, I can download the entire index to use with their free standalone application to search and make purchases, then have it download the music later when I'm not using the computer. If iTunes did a fraction of this, it "might" be worth what they charge.
Finally, THE RECORD COMPANIES have turned buying a CD into a real crap shoot. My main reason for NOT buying a CD (or even downloading whole CD's) is that they produce ONE or TWO tunes that I am interested in. Granted this has always been true, but in the 80's and early 90's it seemed that there was always at least a couple of albums on the charts with MULTIPLE hits. Now it's hard to find an artist who has multiple hits, and to make matters worse... the "hit" doesn't sound anything like the rest of the album.
I'd bet if the record companies got back to the original idea of promoting music with the theory of the better the product, the more money they make, things would be better for everyone. Now it seems the record companies are only concerned with the "make more money" part, and they don't really care how they get it.
In watching this show called "Classic Albums" I found an interesting theme that great albums such as Fleetwood Mac Rumors and Nirvana's first album did not start out as classics or with the idea of a million seller being the goal. The idea was to make a great album that would sell enough to pay for itself. The record company that signed Nirvana "hoped" to sell 50,000 copies based on the fanbase, strength of the live shows etc...
Now I think the Record Company's are trying to make a hit of every album, even if it isn't. In the long run the consumer is being hurt, the artists and songwriters are being hurt and the Record companies are still making money, hand over fist.
===jumping off soapbox===
To the point..
"The system is broke with no good fix in sight" - Goober |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Originally posted by Enfant Terrible aka V-Elite:
Goober, I find the hardest part ,Is SongWriting, and U got Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood to Demo Your songs....You Are Worth Any Bit of that 2.5 cents.... :D
( Instead of sailboats I should have said SAILSHIPS ) ;)
Vic :cool: Garth got $30 a song to sing demos, and back then nobody liked his voice. This was about a year and a half before his first hit. Go figure!! :rolleyes: :) |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | And great points, Miles. I agree that there is a better way.....but there's one problem: YOU MAKE WAY TOO MUCH SENSE. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Mr.O:
Ho now,too much too repeat,I just say about your post :
I So Agree !! :)
(I wish Mr.O would take office in the U N ,and speak our cause ) ;)
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Mr. O quote-- "the "hit" doesn't sound anything like the rest of the album."
I've had that happen in reverse... There are "hits" that kinda suc'd, but the rest of the album was good. I have an old Hooters (one hit wonder) tape that I found. Other than their Top 40 hit, the rest of the album is great. But the record industry wants the Artist to create a Hit, even if it doesn't sound anything like the music he/she likes to play. [Do your Job, Man!]
When all the radio stations play a "formula", they never play any kind of selection...
Musicians like Joe Cocker, Janis Joplin, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Croce, Jethro Tull, or anyone not adhering to the Formula will not be played... Nowadays they would not be played.
Aw, better quit now...
But y'all get my point. :mad: Smash The State in 2008! |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | " When all the radio stations play a "formula", they never play any kind of selection...
Musicians like Joe Cocker, Janis Joplin, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Croce, Jethro Tull, or anyone not adhering to the Formula will not be played... Nowadays they would not be played."
Aah...Janis Joplin..Moody Blues..them were Times..
now U`re gettin`me all Melancholic..I still do n`t have short hair :D
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Almost cut my Hair....
But I didn't and I wonder why,
I just feel like letting my Freak Flag Fly!
Cuz I feel like I owe it... To Someone! |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
- And this statistic, if it could be derived, is probably the most important. How many downloads caused someone to be exposed to music they would not normally think about, and they end up buying an artists whole catalog based on hearing a shared download, or, they talked about it and at least caused someone else to buy the artists work.
I mentioned this once before - while sitting at a coworkers desk, I "ripped" his Chieftains CD onto my laptop. Yes - at the time, I technically took it without paying. It could have gone three ways after that 1) I keep it and listen to it free of charge, 2) I don't like it and erase it or ignore it, or 3) I like it so much that I buy the original CD and about 8 or 9 other Chieftains cds - which is what happened.
Anything that exposes us to artists that we normally would not be exposed to is a good thing. Radio certainly doesn't do it anymore except for a few college or publicly funded stations, like WXPN around here. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Guys, this is precisely the kind of stuff that DVD " B4MD - Before the Music Dies " talks about. It explores all of these issues in the music industry and more... very fascinating stuff, and I'd recommend you check it out. They don't really have a solution, just an interesting exploration of the issue. Closest they get to a solution is moving to smaller artist-centric record companies like ATO Records, smaller radio, and encouraging the consumer to be more discriminating.
An interesting point, for example, is that up until now, the record companies have always been able to count on people cycling their personal libraries to the latest and greatest technologies. People replaced their 8-tracks and albums with cassettes. They replaced their casettes with CDs. Now people are replacing their CDs with digital, and the technology has leapfrogged their profit model and mentality.
I got my copy on amazon.com .
I'm not one to watch a movie again and again.. if people want to pass it around, I'd be happy to send it out for other people to view and enjoy. The more people who see how the industry works "behind the scenes" the better.
Shoot me a PM with your address if interested. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | dvd-- Okay, I'm scared now! Those people said exactly what I was thinking (and I ain't heard that before).
Sad but true! |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | OMA, the movie is like that again and again. It all falls into place and it really creeps you out when it all hits you in a 90 minute flick.
To quote Morpheus from The Matrix: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | I found the OFC from a music site while I was researching how to market my hold-out songs. I have always sold outright for cash. I don't know mail-box money yet. I started selling after mp-3.
Other back-home hippies did just fine. I'm getting cosmetic surgery (still healing right now) just so I can get out there while I'm still young enough to do it.
With concert tickets commanding insane prices, and writers losing at every turn, the only logical thing is that we do our own stuff and hope to hell people like the grass-roots. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by jujurocks:
I'm getting cosmetic surgery (still healing right now) just so I can get out there while I'm still young enough to do it. wow. I'm speechless. that's it in a nutshell. |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | Because the world isn't flat.
Or saggy. Or wrinkled. Or self-depreciating. Or tired. Or lazy, old, stuck in a rut or out of shape.
Even us ol' hippies. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Touche! and don't get me wrong... I'm not criticizing you by any means. I just think it's a shame that the industry has come to this. As a music consumer, I couldn't care less what you look like as long as your music is what I'm into. But I recognize that appearance has a major influence on whether I ever have the opportunity to hear your stuff. |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | I'll be sure to post a good pic so any solitary soul (even on this site full of articulate, refined musicians) follows the link. :p |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | " With concert tickets commanding insane prices, and writers losing at every turn, the only logical thing is that we do our own stuff and hope to hell people like the grass-roots. "
True,though it`s hard to come up with somethin`"new"...I usually get the impression it`s all been " done " before..It Is Hard to write Songs..I mean somethin`like " L.O.V.E " was
an Original Concept,or " Bad to the Bone "..etc.
I wish I could come up with somethin`likethat :)
I hope your surgery will be succesful,perhaps U could put up a gallery and a link to one of your songs,I would Love to Hear what an " Old Hippie "
sounds like ;)
( I`m a senior hippie ) :D
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | I'll be sure to post a good pic so any solitary soul (even on this site full of articulate, refined musicians) follows the link.
Okay....U beat me to it.. :rolleyes:
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Location: North Cal. mountains | Right on, my brother!
My "hold-outs" are new ideas.
Once I rebuild my studio, I'll re-record.
I suck on guitar so bad I wonder if I deserve my guitars, but I write great hooks.
You'll all have access to them in a few months.
I don't even own my other stuff (fluff) anymore. I sold them and can't take credit. Signed, sealed, delivered. Kinda sucks, but the bills get paid.
You all know. |
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Location: North Cal. mountains | The RC's take your babies and turn them into disfigured mutants that sell. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | DVD; That movie was "mayhem"....
" I don't even own my other stuff (fluff) anymore. I sold them and can't take credit. Signed, sealed, delivered. Kinda sucks, but the bills get paid.
You all know "
Aye Sister.....if only we did not have to eat ;)
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Location: North Cal. mountains | The kids have to eat. And live indoors. And go to college.
Thanks for understanding, Julie |
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