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Location: Phoenix AZ | According to Cliff the majority of the carbon fibre supply in the US has been seized by the gov't to use as armor reinforcement to hum-vees used in the Irag war.
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Location: Upper Left USA | ...and by limiting the production of the fibres (think Oil Refinery) the price can be maintained at a high index to the production costs. Most processes are highly patented and controlled as well. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Actually, I read the same article ...
So Carbon Fiber's made from oil? |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | Maybe one of those 'Adamis' guitars listed on eBay.
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Looked it up and unless somewhere here knows otherwise, it looks like it's made up of 90% of some sort of petroleum, and another 10% of either another type of petroleum or rayon. Rayon is made from cellulose.
Also, I read that a $26 barrel of oil would make $126 worth of gas and $1700 worth of carbon fiber. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Academy Beach Guitar!
YEah!
(Don't forget the Bronze alloy strings to combat rust!) |
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Location: CT | Where is this $26 barrel of oil you refer to? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | You have to travel back in time a few years to about September 11, 2001, just before the "war on terror" began. I didn't say now. Anyway, you'll find it there. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Carbon fibre comes from the Carbon tree which is native to, well I can't tell cause it's secret classified information, and then if I did tell I'd have to, well you know the rest....
Ask Cliff. |
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Location: big island | congrats on # 7000, bill! |
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Location: Japan | Originally posted by HobbyPicker:
If you want a cheap and sturdy guitar, I believe one should look to other materials than carbon fibre or wood for soundboards. Why not look for plastic?
I recently posted a thread on Cool Acoustics but noone here reacted. If the guitars they make sound good, it could be a possiblity to combine their plastic soundboard with the Ovation bowl. If massproduced and sold in large series, I believe they could be really cheap and yet have good and stable quality.
They look at least somewhat interesting and I'd be interested in playing one sometime, but if having the roundback was the only reason I play Adamas then I'd just get an Ovation. |
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Location: NJ | I vote AcademyBeach.
Phenolic top w/integral bracing.
Cutaway w/multi-hole(bass only).
Water-resistant preamp with .125" headphone jack. |
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| My son has been using his MOB47 at the beach and everywhere else for over 2 years now.. it often sits in direct sunlight in 90+ heat and over 60% humidity, and he wipes it down and shakes the sand out of it before he brings it home..(amazing how much just blows in through the soundholes). it stays strung with elixir polywebs, and gets restrung at least monthly when he oils the fretboard and polishes/waxes the finish.
still looks and sounds pretty good.
but I would still like to see something a little more impervious to the abuse.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | My 2002 Collectors (laminated top with top veneer) is the best-sounding guitar of all my Os....it just RINGS. I'm not worried about what material twists and turns that KMC may have to go through, I'm confident they'll find a way to make Ovation guitars sound great.
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Option 2;
Buy a $100 Ovation from Craigs list or Fleece Bay
and damn the torpedos... |
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Location: Nashville TN. | I doubt a cheap Adamas would effect wood topped Ovation sales. Adamas appeals to some people, and not to others. Personally I perfer wood tops for sound looks and feel. Others perfer the Adamas.
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Location: NJ | yup first we want cheap tv's and cheap dvd's and cheap computers and cheap labor etc.
so we send everything overseas to get built so we got our cheap stuff but it is just that cheap. the cheap it gets the more disposable it is.
sun morning i head a news cast about how the dollar is shrinking and all these cheap things in these big containers coming to a port city near you will cost more and more. Guess what I may see it in my lifetime when manufacturing is economically feasible again to do in the usa. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Al, I think you're onto something....I've been thinking the same thing.
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Location: Midland, MI | ...self-edit and sent as a PM to Al...
If anyone wants to know what I think about the economy and the (lack of) intelligence exhibited by ...nevermind...edit, edit, edit...GRRRRRRRR
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Location: Upper Left USA | For Christmas I gave my Wife a bottle of Dumbperionne (sp) champaigne because she cherishes the two times she survived life struggles and bought herself a bottle as a reward at the end of those events. It had worth and to those who claim to have a pallet for it, is definately set apart from the others.
She was surprised and pleased.
I personnaly find a $5 bottle of Extra Dry Brut from Safeway just as satisfying.
So...
You can slap a fibre top on a GLS bowl and call it good but according to my pallet I would miss the finishing touches that make an Adamas what it is.
I do not want to see offshore manufacture of the carbon tops. The design is sound and if the specifications are met it will be a phenomenal instrument.
But it would be wrong.
If everybody owned a 63 Split Window Corvette because they started making them out of Korea it would not be a 63 Split window Corvette.
It could be a really fun Daewoo though... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'll second what's already been said, they should bring back a variation of the ACADEMY. That damn thing sold for $189. and made no pretense that it was anything other than plastic. But damn if it doesn't sound better than all but a handful of the wood topped Ovations I've owned. Dave |
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Location: NJ | Gee . . . where've I heard THAT before . . . . . |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Just smile & nod Cliff.
If we don't let him vent here he'll be up a belltower in Phoenix before sunset.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cliff:
Gee . . . where've I heard THAT before . . . . . |
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Ovation should make a low-cost Adamas
