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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | This reminds me of that profound dilemma presented in the classic film 'Animal House':
[SCENE: Clorette has just passed out]
Larry's evil conscience: "Fu¢k her. Fu¢k her brains out. Suck her tits, squeeze her buns. You know she wants it."
Larry's good conscience:"For shame! Lawrence, I'm surprised at you!"
Larry's evil conscience: "Aw, don't listen to that jack-off. Look at those gazongas. You'll never get a better chance."
Larry's good conscience: "If you lay one finger on that poor sweet helpless girl, you'll despise yourself forever... I'm proud of you, Lawrence."
Larry's evil conscience: "You homo."
My advice? Play her. Play her brains out.... |
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Location: Vermont USA | Friendship? I don't have any friends so I don't know what to say, except you can lose your wife to a friend so I know you can lose a friend over a guitar. So the real question is, are you willing to risk friendship over a guitar.
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Location: NJ | Jeffrey;
Another testament that you and I share a brain (an evil brain, but a brain none the less) . . .
Jeanette and I watched AnimalHouse JUST last Sunday, and I was thinking about that VERY scene while this whole thread's been transpiring.
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by cliff:
If y'DO "Who-Smash" it,... I changed my mind 'cause I've seen pics of the prof.
I just don't think he's got the bulk behind him to be ABLE to break an ovation. I've smashed cheap guitars and, sober, it's not that easy.
(guitars playing wimpy madrigals 'a la' Animal House do not HAVE to be smashed. They will self destruct if you touch them in the right way.) |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | If the owner is cool with go for it. Now you need to be sure tha gig is somewhat safe.
Cliff has got several of my guitars and I'd be pist if he didn't use them on gigs.
The worry is it being damaged and that can be fixed. If it gets stolen within a year or so it will pop up somewhere, things that rare usually don't stay hidden long. |
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Location: NJ | ". . guitars playing wimpy madrigals 'a la' Animal House . ."
Stephen Bishop, btw |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | O.k., so even if I was to decide to chance it and use No. 43 in Sunday's service, how could I do it now? My thoughts would totally be on that scene from Animal House! As a matter of fact, no matter what guitar I'll be using, that scene is going to come to my mind. And it was such a harmless poll, too. This is why I love the OFC! |
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Location: Texas | Unfortunately you never know what can happen at any gig.
This is a unique piece and even if it is insured, if it is damaged or stolen you can never replace it.
We did an album called "Guitarras Hermanas", meaning sister guitars awhile back, and we chose that title because we had a couple of concert flamenco guitars that we custom orderd from a legendary luthier in Spain and the guitars were a serial number apart from each other, hence the title. We toured with them and used them in many concerts and many other recording projects.
Well, years ago one of the beloved sisters was stolen after a gig and we never found it. It was insured and we bought another one, but it was not part the original pair that was on that CD and had been on many of our concerts, photos, TV shows etc.
So I say don't do it. If you are the owner and you want to use a valuable and unique instrument that is different, but if you are babysitting it you should take care of it and make sure it is safe and that you can return it to the owner with a fresh set of strings on it, polished and in the same condition he left it.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by cliff:
Jeffrey;
scary. InDEED. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | I voted " NO !! " because I would not dare to risk it,U never know what can happen,but then again I like my own instruments best.. :)
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Location: Scotland | I agree with Serge, do what you feel is appropriate for your own instruments, regardless of their rarity or value. Unless you can replace like for like, and in this case it would be almost impossible, you have an extra duty of care with a loaner. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | With a guitar that is irreplaceable, I would never take it anywhere. Even to church. My father always told me - Accidents happen but not nearly as often to people who use their head.
And the movie scene I'm seeing is from Ferris Beuhler when he sees his buddies' Dad's classic car and they go for a joy ride, get it back to the house, put it on blocks and put the car in reverse to try to take the mileage back off. Predictably, the car slips off the blocks and goes down an embankment and is totaled.
Invite some players over to enjoy it? Sure. Take it anywhere? I wouldn't. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | Gertrude has a "sound vent" from her purling to her bridge because the unforeseen thing that couldn't possibly happen actually did. It's bad enough when it's your own guitar; if that had happened to a friend's I can't imagine how I would have felt. (And even though she's not one of the "Grail Guitars," to me she's pretty irreplaceable.) I'm going to err on the side of caution here and say that if it was me, I wouldn't--having said that, I'm glad it's not me!
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Location: Midland, MI | No. For the same reason I don't borrow tools. |
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Location: Central Oregon | No way would I take that guitar anywhere in public. If it was a guitar that could be easily replaced I'd say go for it. Even if it was guitar that would possibly be somewhat difficult to replace I'd say go for it, carefully. But #43 cannot be replaced for any amount of money, there is only one. If you were the owner it would be a whole different deal, but you're not. Putting the possibility of theft aside, all it would take to seriously damage it would be one unruly child doing something stupid without thinking, right when you least expected it. It happens constantly every day. Maybe you have nerves of steel, but I'd be so nervous I probably wouldn't be able to pick my nose, let alone #43. |
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Location: Tennessee | I voted play it. The owner said go for it. If it was my guitar, I'd tell you to go for it. It can be replaced or repaired. Guitars are meant to be played. Maybe if you play it in church, there will be someone you reach simply because of something special in the guitar. God works in mysterious ways.
The material things in life shouldn't matter. That's not to say your should be careless or abuse them, but you should never treasure things over people. Everything is replaceable, except human life.
But maybe today I'm just a bit jaded. I'm in Minneapolis on business, and last night I witnessed disaster and tragedy. I also saw incredible selflessness and the triumph of the human spirit. Then this morning I came out of an 8am meeting, and in the parking lot my sales guy returned a voice mail message from home (California) that had just come in while we were leaving ... to find out his 10-year old son had unexpectedly died. The boy was special needs and was the centerpiece of Brian's life. He was completely devastated. His pain and despair was complete and total. It is in these moments you realize that guitars, cars, and "things", no matter what you paid for them, aren't worth a tinker's dam.
I'm going to go play my Traveller guitar now, and maybe find some peace. If I had #43 with me, I'd go out on the street with it and play a song for Reid, and then one for the people on the 35W bridge, and then keep playing until everyone around me was smiling. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | If I could gig, I would.
Unless you are doing imitations of "The Who" in concert, I doubt that you are any more likely to damage it "out there" than you would at home.
Stuff happens at home too. You wouldn't do it on purpose, that's why they are called accidents!
[Just be responsible... If you break it, You bought it!] |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Stonebobbo - you are exactly right. I voted to go ahead and play, but for different reasons. It's so easy to fall into the habit of choosing things over people. I have to make a conscious effort not to say anything when my sons go to grab my guitars. I've gotten much better at it too. I'm so sorry to hear about your sales guy's son. I dread bad news when I'm travelling because I feel so helpless not being there.
My vote remains - go play it Prof! The owner values your friendship and skills enough to give you the go ahead to play it out... go for it! Bring some happiness to others. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | I'm not sure that I see it as a "choosing material things over people" thing at all. It's not like Professor couldn't grab another guitar, his or not, and generate those same smiles. Chances are slim at best those listening would have any idea what #43 is.
I'm sorry about your day, bobbo, and much sorrier for the losses around you. I didn't know them but here in town last night there was a house fire that claimed a mother, three children and left the father alone with nothing, material or otherwise. When I saw that on the news I just wanted to puke. Things like that can put a little different spin on things - no question. I'm just saying that if you look at it from a risk (a lot) v. return (none over holding any other guitar) perspective, it's a no brainer to me. |
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Location: Vermont USA | stonebobbo posted I'm going to go play my Traveller guitar now, and maybe find some peace. If I had #43 with me, I'd go out on the street with it and play a song for Reid, and then one for the people on the 35W bridge, and then keep playing until everyone around me was smiling. You're a good man.
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Location: Colorado | I voted yes...but then that makes sense doesn't it? I'm totally with a couple comments here - It is meant to be played...he'll make the decision he is comfortable with...I have too....Great thread professor....I'll be back in internet land in a little over a week...I'm looking forward to where this thread ends up. |
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Location: NJ | One of the main reasons I voted yes was the "Mark Factor". Not a lot of people here have had the pleasure of meeting Mark. I have. Thanks fer chiming-in, Buddy, . .
I wondered if you would . . .
". . . Bueller?? . . . Bueller???? . . . . . . . Bueller????? . . . . . . |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Go for it Prof... #45 will be standing by as a replacement! :rolleyes:
Negotiated price will be commensurate with level of desperation! :D |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | play it. guitars are made to be played.
no one (i think) will take guitar to the grave.
But if you'll be somehow distracted by playing on it (for example - fearing about damage or sth like this), don't take it. You have to enjoy playing, and I enjoy playing only when i'm completely relaxed. |
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Location: SoCal | Would I? NO...
The guitar belongs to someone else and it is in my care. The guitar would get plenty of play time, but it would not leave my house. I personally don't see the thrill of gigging with it, but the opportunity to record with it would be thrilling.
Professor, If the question is, "should you gig Mark's Slothead"?
You already answered the question when you said, "...I'm not all that comfortable taking any unnecessary risk with his beloved guitar."
It would be irresponsible to cheer you on. |
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