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Location: undisclosed | We'll have to listen before grinding the axes then.... at least they are used to working with fiberglass. I'd have gone for a carbon/kevlar twill on the top myself. I do think eastern shops can rival the US in terms of quality but would like to see the regional differences capitalized on in terms of style and construction. Giving the lines different names makes sense and should be celebrated, both divisions would likely try harder if they were trying to show up the other. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I don't know...
They keep "leaking" photos like this, and the ones with Lita Ford, and they are still Korean Crap.
Don't get me wrong, I have owned (and own) a few Asian-made guitars that are nice...
Celebrity's and Ultra's and BC Rich, Parker P-series and Squier Fuckners...
I have Steinbergers, an Epiphone, a Morgan Monroe, a Breedlove and a few Travelers that all proudly say Made in China (or Korea, or Indonesia, or Wherever).
But don't show me Korean-crap and tell me it is something "new".
Or... Don't pee on my face and tell me that it is raining. 
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Location: Texas | Don't pee on my face and tell me that it is raining. OMA...I will forgo querying you about under what situation(s) that might occur. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | 2wheeldrummer - 2015-08-18 7:11 PM
damon67 - 2015-08-18 11:14
I would like it even better if it just said "Celebrity Plus" and kept the "Elite" name, well... elite. USA built. Celebrity = center hole Celebrity Plus = multi-hole
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Damon says what i've felt all along,quit denigrating the "Elite" name by putting it on overseas models,save it for the new USA guitars and avoid buyer confusion and possible loss of sales by people buying what they think is an "elite" but not being happy because its not what we know an "elite" to be
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| old man Arthur.......... Please stop hating. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Who has shown you Korean crap? Korea currently makes some of the best guitars on the planet and have for many years. It's just fact. While USA companies couldn't get capital to buy state of the art equipment and couldn't afford to pay top dollar for engineers, Korea can. It's not the 1980's anymore my friend. If you are referring to some of the "crap" Celebrity and Ovation guitars that came from Korea... Like any place else those guitars were built to be what they were and shipped to Musicians Friend or where-ever without QC to boot. By the way, when was the last time you bought a NEW guitar anyway?
Or more plainly. If those "Crap" guitars were built in the USA, to the same specs, they'd still be crap guitars... but I guess you'd be happy? Maybe you should actually go to Korea and see what kind of instruments they make there. I did. |
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Location: Texas | "Korea=some of the best guitars on the planet" Not buying it. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | What do you say we all try to look at the whole picture? Without the imports selling to the masses, the USA production is not going to make it. There is no denying that there is a difference in quality, but you have to pay up front for that difference, and MOST guitarists around the world simply cannot do it! If DW is going to make a go of Ovation, they will have to do what the Kamans did: build a range of guitars that compete, each and every one of them, at their price points, and the imports have always compared favorably to their competition. The Celebrity I learned to play on is still in my family after 30+ years and still going strong. Take some comfort from the simple reality that there's a plan at play here folks. DW is probably taking some chances, but they aren't guessing. Import or not, I would bet good money that the guitar in that photo would blow the soundboard off a Taylor 100 or 200 series. And make no mistake, that's who it's going up against. And when the American models come out, they will be taking aim at bigger fish. The imports are critical to getting round back guitars into the hands of new players. If I had not started on my Celeb all those years ago, would I have eventually built the collection of USA Ovations I have now? To be perfectly honest, it's doubtful. I think Bill Xavier comes here for constructive criticism and actually tries to put good ideas to use. But import bashing serves little purpose unless your trying to publish a book about aging knights and windmills. |
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| that's the great part, its our job to make sure if someone cannot afford to buy a new USA Ovation that they can purchase one made in Korea that is leaps and bounds better than that of the competitors. In addition it wont be the cheapest, we don't want to play in the race for the bottom for price with Ovation. Not our Circus, not our Monkeys, leave that to the corporate peeps.. |
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Location: Denmark | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote :-)
Some of the better Warwicks (not Rockbass series) have been made in Korea. In the 80s MIJ was considered inferior today its considered almost high-end.
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Location: Urbana, IL | I have nothing against non-US made Ovations. Lord knows I made a living off selling them to folks for quite a few years. If DW can make it well and sell them for an adequate profit they'd be stupid not to do it. I just want the US ones myself. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | old man Arthur.......... Please stop hating.
"Don't be a Hater"...
That is the catchphrase whenever someone says something that someone doesn't like.
Somehow the speaker is dysfunctional, not the subject in question.
Okay... I understand all that marketing stuff.
I also understand that I own some Excellent Asian-made guitars.
I also know that the Asian Factories will make Exactly what they are contracted to make.
So, if an import Ovation is designed to be a throw-away guitar... that is what they will make.
I bought a 1778TX that sounded great, until I played it next to a USA 1778T.
I also know that you can make affordable stuff in the USA if you want to...
Walmart was originally built on selling only USA-made stuff.
But since return on investment is the motivating factor in everything, jobs will be exported.
This ain't gonna last... People in China and Korea will soon be paid about the same as in the USA.
The difference being the people in China and Korea will have manufacturing jobs... and the USA won't.
And Bill X...
People are not posting best wishes on the OvationGuitars Facebook page because they want Ovation to create nifty guitars in Asia... Lots of nifty guitars are made in Asia nowadays.
They are happy to hear that Ovation will be made in America again.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | mileskb - 2015-08-19 10:11 AM
By the way, when was the last time you bought a NEW guitar anyway?
Uh... Does "New Old Stock" count? Then the Blue Adamas W597T.
Otherwise, my Chinese Breedlove Pursuit 12.
And my Chinese Morgan Monroe.
And before that, my Chinese Traveler guitar.
Are we seeing a pattern here?
And WHY would I buy a new guitar when there are so many used guitars waiting to be adopted? |
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Location: Flahdaw | amosmoses - 2015-08-19 8:05 AM
Don't pee on my face and tell me that it is raining. OMA...I will forgo querying you about under what situation(s) that might occur.
NOW we're getting into DaveKell tour bus territory |
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Location: Colorado | I for one would love to play it...to feel it - and to hear it...I have played 8K$ (name your brand here) guitars and sometimes said "meh", and sometimes said "wow". I have also played 500 buck (name your brand here) guitars...and said "meh" and "wow". |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | For what its worth, check out what JD Power and Associates reports about the initial quality of new 2015 automobiles:
"Korean brands led the industry in initial quality by the widest margin ever, averaging 90 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles, an improvement of 11 PP100 from 2014." While we may want to believe that American made products will always be the best in the world, we're being naive to reality. Nowadays, high quality products can originate from anywhere in the world. If we want to continue to buy American to support our own economy, I get it, but what is American versus what is global is no longer always easy to determine. As I said before, I think this guitar is stunning and I would sure love to play it, even if the color combination would not be my personal choice. I am, however, all about the bling. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | As long as DW continues to call the Asian made models "Ovation" the public will continue to be confused and opinion of Ovation in general will always revert to the lowest common denominator. DW has the oppotunity to take the other fork in the road. The roundback cat only has so many lives so i sure hope they don't blow it. |
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Location: Texas | How in the heck to you extrapolate "Korean brands led the industry in initial quality by the widest margin ever, averaging 90 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles, an improvement of 11 PP100 from 2014." to "Korea currently makes some of the best guitars on the planet and have for many years. It's just fact" Where does JD Powers rank USA made Ovations in comparison to the guitars made by Kia? |
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Location: Jet City | boltonb - 2015-08-20 5:55 AM ...If we want to continue to buy American to support our own economy, I get it... Ovation is not the only brand of guitar I own, but every guitar under this roof is made here in the USA. It's a conscious decision I made. I also drive a Chevy. (I do have an Applause Uke) If there's an available choice, and I can afford it, I'll buy USA every time, whether it's a guitar on a wall at the local music store or a tomato in the produce isle. 
But my patriotic self aside, maybe we need to wonder why the rest of the world is asking us for US made Ovations... or many other USA made products... yes even the folks in Asia. It's not cuz ours are cheaper. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | amosmoses - 2015-08-20 7:45 AM How in the heck to you extrapolate "Korean brands led the industry in initial quality by the widest margin ever, averaging 90 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles, an improvement of 11 PP100 from 2014." to "Korea currently makes some of the best guitars on the planet and have for many years. It's just fact" Where does JD Powers rank USA made Ovations in comparison to the guitars made by Kia? Automobiles vs Guitars... beyond apples and oranges.. With any product, the question is are they building them for themselves or are they building them to spec. In the case of guitars, they are building them to spec. BUT.. interesting enough.. When I was in Korea I visited a market where they were selling "faked" Ovations. Actually they were Celebrities that were hand built with solid tops. At that time the Bowl, Electronics and I think even the Necks were being shipped there. In any case, they had what appeared to be real necks on them too. They were awesome guitars... not what they built for export.. BC Rich guitars are being built so well now that players are buying them new, and then retrofitting the electronics and hardware with top-of-the-line and they are stellar guitars. China makes Studio Projects micrphones. Essentially copies of some of the most classic mics on the planet, and they aren't cheap. However they are hand made to the Original specs and so far it's rare even when the owners of the originals can tell them apart. My point is, you can't blame the country of orgin. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | damon67 - 2015-08-20 8:14 AM
boltonb - 2015-08-20 5:55 AM ...If we want to continue to buy American to support our own economy, I get it... If there's an available choice, and I can afford it, I'll buy USA every time, whether it's a guitar on a wall at the local music store or a tomato in the produce isle.
I buy Quality, I don't care where it's made. I'm not sure what trades you read... but Buying USA from overseas hasn't been "a thing" for many years. Some exceptions of coarse. Regarding OVations... They want Adamas guitars. I doubt they care where they are made... luckily they are (or will be made) in the USA.
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Location: Jet City | mileskb - 2015-08-20 9:24 AM I'm not sure what trades you read... Quoted from your post on another thread... Reprinted from the Music Trades - August 2015 ...From a marketing standpoint, there was unquestionably a strong global demand for U.S.-made Ovation guitars. Distributors in Europe and Japan were particularly interested in seeing production restored and promised large orders. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Yet StandingOvation's insightful post about market perception and user experience is where the rubber meets the road. |
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Location: New Hartford CT | Here's a link to a PDP by DW wood hoop drum kit I bought recently. It's fantastic, in fact now I'm getting requests to bring this kit to gigs instead of my more expensive USA collectors series lol.
Anyway, take note of the badges on the drums in photos 5 & 6. This is exactly how I'd like to see DW handle this matter of distinguishing off shore vs domestic Ovations...as things move along.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PDP-Concept-Classic-Wood-Hoop-Tobacco-Satin...
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | George Frey - 2015-08-20 10:00 AM
take note of the badges on the drums
DW has a stellar way of identifying their drums. It's simple and clear and you can tell the Series (similar to Ovation "Model") from across the room, just by the Logo.
Here are three of the models.. the badges are done in a simlar manner.  
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