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Location: ms | How would you make a USA guild in china? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | They would just say USA Guild and lie just like our president and the BentoverGhastly Bitch |
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Location: SoCal | Each of us should consider how we would answer a question by an off-shore owner...Fortunately, we have some OFC'ers that have an applause or Celeb (maybe even a collection). I know I have an Applause baritone uke as well as the Celeb parlor and tenor uke with a Koa top and palm trees (well, I bought it for my wife). Let us be honest, lots of reasons they bought an off shore (branded as Ovation, sounded good plugged in, prety, only roundback in store, cost, former electric players who don't care about the acoustic sound, etc.) We, as owners of superior U.S. Ovations know that they got screwed. Yes, SCREWED as they could have gotten a used true Ovation.
They will be part of the future of the OFC as some of them will upgrade to a US Ovation, even Adamas. That is why I suggested a separate category for off shore. Any in support? |
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Location: SoCal | By the way, as of 5:17 om (PST), 678 visitors...so, either they didn't check in with their screen name and password, not yet committed to join, or they feel that the site can't help them as they don't have a US made Ovation/Adamas. |
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Location: luzerne, pa usa | Tony,
Count me in. I agree with you 100%. |
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Location: Flahdaw | agree
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Location: Utah | The imports have been a good value. They don't have the refinement or all the design features, but they do have a lot of technology and value for the price point. So the buyers of an Asian O are getting a good guitar at a competitive price. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I am sure that the OFC can give advice about Asian guitars.
There are probably many "lurkers" who could answer questions.
Those lurkers that we scared away by being told that their Asian O's were crap.
About Celebrity Guitars...
If you look back through the "Vaults", I have owned Many Celebrity guitars.
Right now I have a Cedar-topped, Contour bowl CC29S that is a nice guitar.
(so long as I put Silk-n-Steel light-tension strings on it, otherwise it is a cheese-slicer)
I also have a DCS-247 Long Neck.
(which will be for sale eventually, cuz I don't comprehend long-necks)
Anyone who has owned a CC047-FKOA will tell you that they are great.
A CS257 with a quilted top and an OP-30 is a great guitar.
Going back in time...
The CC57 Super-Shallow bowl with a passive two-knob pickup is great.
With NO Battery to change.
CC67 Deep bowls were a poor-man's Balladeer.
Remember when MF and GC were having a Sale on Ultras?
And a bunch of us bought 2171's and 2178's?
More recently, those DJ Ashba things are Celebrity's.
As are the Mick Thompson MT-37 guitars.
Those were Celebrity Elite T's before they started making TX's.
I know that no OFCrs bought them just cuz they are Fugly.
(so who secretly bought a Nikki Sixx Herion Diaries CC24?)
I am sure that there are people who can advise noobies on Celebrity's and Ultra's.
(But maybe not some many who can speak from experience about AX's and TX's.  )
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Location: Bristol England | Tony,
I certainly support a separate category for offshore.
Most ovation owners outside the US will have started playing offshore models because of the increased cost of import duties, freight etc., on US models. It is only after starting to play these models that they will want to upgrade. Let's face it no ones first car is a Rolls Royce.
Offshore owners should not be scorned but encouraged to join the OFC to learn more and seek and be given knowledge and enlightenment.
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Location: south east Michigan | Well... I'll disagree.
USA and offshore models may have their differences but the are of the same species.
Segregating them, IMHO, only promotes animosity (real or imagined).
Telling offshore owners that they were screwed is not helpful or even friendly.
If someone loves their offshore guitar, good for them.
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Now I'll quote the old and wise Moody PI.
It is a lowest common denominator kernel of wisdom that should be kept at the ready during any discussion of guitars.
It's the proverbial trump card.
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ready?
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"I hope you love your guitar as much as I love mine."
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Location: seattle, wa | I think pac.rim guitars are just another choice...not my choice but, if it allows a new player to progress, I don't see why they shouldn't be just another Ovation, we discuss.
To separate them out would only limit the O.F.C. membership.
I think the Ovations and GAD Guilds are some of the best from over there. |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Just knowing that you all won't consider discussions about Celebrities and Applauses an "unforgivable sin" is enough for me. Interestingly, my son and I both own Celebrities and while we both love our Chinese made CC54i iDeas, we cannot deny that they play and sound completely (and I do mean completely) different. We also both own 1861s and they both play and sound very similar... We love and play our Celebrities, but we're still dreaming of the Adamas...the GAS will not go away... |
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Location: Flahdaw | In reality, I doubt Miles is even interested in making another category. He hasn't exactly weighed in on this topic, so talking about it is probably a waste of energy. |
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Location: Always beautiful canyon country of Utah | Well said Slip Kid and John. We are all in this together and everyone needs love and compassion!! FlySig's comments were also on the mark! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My second Ovation, 30 years after my Matrix, was a Celebrity Deluxe. It might have been a CS247. Anyway, mid bowl with a huge finish crack that I got in my first attempt at ebay. I had it a short time before I traded it and some cash for a 99 Collector. That was a gorgeous guitar, but I still remember that it didn't sound as good as the Celebrity. I figured it must be the strings, because it was USA made and a "Collector". It wasn't the strings. It sounded about the same as the CS247 that I bought my daughter. I finally figured out that even spruce plywood sounded better than the Bubinga or other hardwood plywood used in the 99 Collector or daughter's CS247. Some people think otherwise, like the guy who bought the 99 Collector from me. He's not wrong. There are plenty of good guitars made overseas and the fact that a guitar is made in the USA doesn't mean it will sound better, unless you think it sounds better because it was made in the USA.
By the way, my Matrix was made in the USA, but sounds exactly the same to me as the similar Applauses that were made overseas. |
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Location: Flahdaw | I would think a deep bowl import with a great set up and ideal strings is gonna sound pretty good, even if it ain't USA.
"As good?" Maybe not quite, but pretty dam good. |
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Location: SoCal | For those of us on the Takamine Forum, remember they are all "off shore" yet admired and loved. |
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Location: NJ | yes but pro series takamines are made in japan
they are built to high quality standards and are priced accordingly
most of the import ovations are currently entry level instruments IMHO |
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Location: south east Michigan | Someone here said it sometime in the last month or so. They could build a quality Ovation offshore... but they won't. |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | I know nobody's asking me, but if I may...I tend to agree with Slipkid. The Pinnacle Series were entry level O's that were made in Japan. They were built quite well, and sound excellent for the price. But if they were to build Adamii in Japan, the labor would price the guitars right out of the market. I suspect the Celebrity production was transferred from Japan to Korea (then on to China) for the same reasons. In addition, to get the kind of quality that customers expect from high-end O's, the materials would have to be imported...you just don't find spruce, mahogany, redwood, ebony, walnut and the like (much less "lyrachord" out this way. Of course, I would suspect choosing the best material and constructing a high-end O sound board is more "art" than "science?" I suppose training and time could help develop the kind of experience and insight that New Hartford O builders have in their Asian counterparts; but if that is the case, I'll have to wait 30 years! Then again, since they're lettin' all the NH employees go, I guess that ain't gonna happen. As for me, I'm gonna keep saving up for my NH made Elite and Adamas. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | The one thing I'll miss the most about the factory closure is that there won't be a place to send your treasured possession guitars for ovation- experienced repairs, tune ups, and transformations. I wonder if there would be enough of that type work to interest any of the factory crew to start their own " home" facilities? Not just anybody can do what those skilled artisans can do.
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Location: Miami | Brad Durasa - 2014-05-05 9:13 AM
Someone here said it sometime in the last month or so. They could build a quality Ovation offshore... but they won't.
Are the AX Custom Legends and Elites not quality Ovations? |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | They currently pay their staff something like 50c an hour. Maybe they could make higher quality Ovations using the NH tools (LX necks etc), pay some good staff $1/hour and make better ones than they currently do.
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