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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | If y'all are watching the news, many jobs are coming back because wages in China are going up.
I don't know if that affects the Korean made Ovations.
But on the Evening News they mentioned USA made "Element" LCD TV's being made in Detroit.
Shipping is getting expensive, long-distance quality control can be tough depending on the factory.
Back to the original question...
why in the hell are they trying to confuse us by keeping US model numbers/names on them?
Yeah... That is the exact idea, to confuse people.
I totally understand the concept of buying what you can afford. As a past owner of many Celebrity's and Ultra's... I am not saying that good guitars cannot be made in Asia. I have a Killer Made-in-Indonesia Parker, Made-in-Korea Bich, and a coupla Chinese Travelers. But Ovation USA was one of the few USA guitar manufacturers. The corporate plan is to export jobs to the cheapest labor... Good for the Corporations, not so good for the American Worker. Not particularly good for the guitars either...
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Location: Flahdaw | Hey AdamasW597....how come your posts are "edited by mymartind35"???? |
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Location: Texas | I think he changed it with the help of OMA...
Not unusual, Prince changed his name...
chastity bono changed her, err his,
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Location: NJ | If you have to mortgage your house to buy an imported guitar then you have bigger problems then where the guitar is made.
a guitar made in the USA is probably 3 times the cost if not more of one made overseas.
Funny how I get inquiries for USA built ovations that have been discontinued 3-4 years ago and people want custom orders. I get them priced out and then they freak out. Well, that is why they can't build them in the USA because you don't want to pay for them.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Actually it's a hold-over from a previous version of the software... Originally this new BBS software did not support "Display Names" it just used the "username" as the "display name". I never liked that in other installations, so before we went live, the developer added the feature of "Display Name" and we changed the references in most places to show the "Display Name" rather than "user name". The idea is that showing the username is somewhat of a security issue. Anywho... we missed a spot..  Thanks for spotting it... |
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | thanks. But, I'm afraid there are a few snobs on here! |
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Location: Texas | "But, I'm afraid there are a few snobs"
I'm ok with that. I am accustomed to the "n" being left out. snob is short of a compliment, but an upgrade nonetheless. |
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Location: Flahdaw | "I'm afraid there are a few snobs on here!"
I know!!! (most of them eat sushi, drink foo-foo latte's, and watch NPR, too) |
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Location: Utah | mymartind35 - 2012-04-26 8:13 AM
thanks. But, I'm afraid there are a few snobs on here!
Maybe, but I don't think really so much. There are members here who think nothing of ordering a custom guitar costing more than my car is worth, but I've seen those same people be incredibly supportive and kind to people of modest means and modest talent.
I think the anger or frustrations are more aimed at the corporate suits who are perhaps seen as trying to foist an inferior product on the unsuspecting customer who thinks it is the same higher quality USA guitar they used to make. And some frustration at the diminution of the brand reputation.
And then there is the sadness for at least a core group of OFC members who have been on factory tours and have fond personal attachments to the people who used to make all the Ovation guitars.
Mostly I think this is a true FAN club, not a snob club. |
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Location: Jet City | FlySig - 2012-04-26 7:42 AM ...not a snob club. I dunno. I hit 2 of 3 on DB's list there (No fan of NPR) |
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Location: SoCal | Snob club or snot blob? |
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Location: Miami | mymartind35 - 2012-04-25 11:44 PM
I'll put my Japanese Stratocaster up against any American made one.
Yeah, okay. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I don't eat sushi, drink foo-foo lattes or listen to NPR. If that means I'm not on DB's list, should I be worried? |
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Location: Suisun City, Ca | mymartind35 - 2012-04-25 11:44 PM
I have a 2005 Adamas W597 that I got for less than half price. That 2079 costs more than I make in a month. I had to save 6 months and sell 3 of my guitars to get it. I don't want to argue but it seems to me what we have here are a few who don't believe others can make a good guitar. I'll put my Japanese Stratocaster up against any American made one. I'm not saying anything bad about US made stuff. I just cannot afford to buy a guitar that costs a LOT more. I have a feeling the people that make the offshore ones are proud of their work. Mercedes and BMW seem to be doing fine. Besides if the guitar sucks. I don't have to buy it. They don't have a penny yet. I'm not waiting 6 months to buy a used one. People don't sell great gear. They sell stuff they don't want. Besides I do have my Adamas. I just need a second guitar to detune when I play live. If I want to play an acoustic I'll play my 33 year-old Martin D-35(by the way, I got it for $800, or I wouldn't have bought it). I'm buying this guitar solely to play electric. I really won't need to compare. I have a great luthier and I know the preamp smokes. Hmmmm, I don't know about that. I've bought some nice, used O's here from many different folks. 1538, 1617-4, 07C, very soon 1537-4 etc...
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | "I have a feeling the people that make the offshore ones are proud of their work. Mercedes and BMW seem to be doing fine." mymartin35
Both manufacturers also have very successful plants in the USA, BMW since 1994 and Mercedes since 1997. In today's global economy, the financial advantage of restricting manufacturing to a single country is minimal, if at all, and often exist only because of favorable government intervention and subsidization.
Incidently, we were asked to do a rather complex latin-jazz instrumental last weekend on short notice. Six pages of charts, lots of jazz chords with some lead, but mainly rhythm behind a lead flugelhorn. I had a number of options for gear, including eight archtops, all but one USA-made, and several very being very high-end customs. Because of its wonderful tone with Be-Bop jazz strings, I chose the only offshore guitar I own, a blonde Epiphone Emperor II, and it worked marvelously, plus it just looks right for jazz. |
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Location: Ohio | mymartind35 - 2012-04-25 11:05 PM
Here is what I have learned. If it is made in the U S of A it will cost you close to twice what the others would cost. I hate to say it. But it's true. I own 3 Japanese guitars(a couple of Takamines and a Yamaha) and, guess what?, they play and sound great. It's ALL about the dollar. I still haven't gotten my CL2079AX, but I'll have it setup by my luthier and I bet it plays and sounds just like it's American counterpart. I just won't have to mortgage my house for it. I have played music since I was 10 years old. If you play any well-built guitar long enough, it's gonna sound great. I don't own as many as some on here. But if what I have owned since I started were here, it would rival anyone's collection. We gotta quit hating on the offshore ones. That's all there is. If you got the do-re-mi you can own an "American". I'll be happy just to get my new one. You can't hate what ya ain't played! Some of us aren't fortunate to have the money to buy the great stuff. I have to settle with what I can get and you all make me feel like an a** for buying what I can afford. It kinda hurts a guys feelings. Just saying.
Dude I don't care what you spend your money on and I don't hate foreign instruments. It's mostly a matter of national pride for me. I buy american whenever I can to support companies that continue to employ people here. These companies wouldn't move offshore and import their goods if we simply refused to buy them. It's as simple as that. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | darkbarguitar - 2012-04-26 4:49 PM For what it's worth, a foreign mail-order bride can be just as satisfying as an American made wife... well yeah... but then there's that whole foreign language thing... and always wondering if maybe she's a KGB agent. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | darkbarguitar - 2012-04-26 5:30 PM Are you kidding? The KGB agents are the best. They'll do anything for some information. touche! 
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | As Ovation owners, players and enthusiasts, we share some thought processes that make us somewhat unique, especially when you add in the fact that we are musicians and artists at some level as well.
While I truly appreciate this sentiment.. "It's mostly a matter of national pride for me. I buy american whenever I can to support companies that continue to employ people here. " it's often in DIRECT conflict with "I buy the product with the most bang-for-buck that I can afford."
That's why we have choices.
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Location: Australia | I recently played some of the newer Korean guitars and I was surprised, they are getting better and are now much closer to the USA guitars. Also with the top of the range electronics, they're great guitars for the money.
As was previously said, if you still want that new USA Ovation, don't bitch about it, just order it. I recently received a custom order 1688 7 Adamas and it's perfect and because it was a special order it's exactly what I wanted. Price was also reasonable.
With all the talk about not being able to get a USA Ovation, I wonder how many people are actually looking to order one. Therein lies the problem for the USA factory I think.
Next time I want a USA Ovation, I'll order it. |
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I totally missed this news
