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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Weaser P:
This has to rate as one of the best questions I've heard asked around this Board in a long time. Not that there aren't other good and legitimate questions, there are. But I think this one could enlighten players on a lot of different levels. Thanks, Chuck. Yeah, but you didn't answer his question!??? :p |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Great stuff Greg! Thanks |
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Location: Chicago | Hmmm.... Well, ask the question again. With a little teaching experience I'm sure I can find a way to answer it! |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | So I'm in my office looking at this note I just wrote on a writing pad that says "Need to try an exotic BM suggested by Dobro".
Now I need to hide the note from my staff. |
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Location: GA USA | I thought he answered the question many times over, emphasizing that the real answer is to find a starting place you can understand, play and experiment. In fact, Dobro's first post in the thread gave enough homework to last a while. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I think dbg was razzing ME when he said that I didn't answer his question, Jas. A million comics out of work and Bob's trying to break into the business through the OFC. To respond, there are several reasons for me not answering not the least of which is I didn't have anything CLOSE to an intelligent answer. I DID, however, figure that someone (and Greg immediately popped into my mind) would and that it might be informative for a lot of people (including me). ;)
By the way, GREAT stuff, Greg. I knew I wouldn't be disappointed! |
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Location: Flahdaw | ah, yeah....I was just razzing the weaser. That's why I had his quote in there. The rest of you all did a great job answering the question. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Location: Chicago | So here's a righteous example of a great tune with chords and color: Joni Mitchell and James Taylor work out on "Woman of Heart and Mind". Wow. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by dobro:
So here's a righteous example of a great tune with chords and color: Joni Mitchell and James Taylor work out on "Woman of Heart and Mind". Wow. |
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Location: Chicago | Indeed: It's just another way of adding color.
Which brings me to another trick: HYBRID CHORDS!
We all know the sound: a simple triad over an unusual bass note or chord. You can make beautiful music with such color chords. Examples:
D/B 020232
D/C x30232
E9/Bmin 220102
F#7/A x02320
the possibilities are endless! |
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Location: CA | With all due respect to the advice and links on this subject so far, I think watching what Billy Gibbons does on a few ZZ Top vids on youtube demonstrates 'inside' chords very well. From what I can tell, he's not doing anything very complicated, and he's not doing anything very different. Many songs are just different riffs on the same 3-4 basic chords. But day-amn, they sure make 'em sound good. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | "Which brings me to another trick: HYBRID CHORDS!"
We've created Frankenchord. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Weaser P:
"Which brings me to another trick: HYBRID CHORDS!"
We've created Frankenchord. Well. weaz, I can't razz you anymore cause people don't get it, but boy, do you need some razzing!!! |
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Location: Cicero, NY | My understanding is I'll get mine someday.
(At least that's what SWMBO says) |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by dobro:
Indeed: It's just another way of adding color.
Which brings me to another trick: HYBRID CHORDS!
We all know the sound: a simple triad over an unusual bass note or chord. You can make beautiful music with such color chords. Examples:
D/B 020232
D/C x30232
E9/Bmin 220102
F#7/A x02320
the possibilities are endless! Jimmy Webb is huge into these, with the bass notes leading the way to where he's going next.... |
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Location: Chicago | True enuf. If you look up a few posts, I do a blues in G with 2 or 3 note chords.
LOOK AT THIS FOR EXAMPLE: the BASIC idea is to be free: to be able to quickly "grab" any chord you need (maj, min, 7th etc.) without HAVING to bar.
Does wonders for songwriting too! Wins hearts and minds and women.... |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by dobro:
True enuf. If you look up a few posts, I do a blues in G with 2 or 3 note chords.
LOOK AT THIS FOR EXAMPLE: the BASIC idea is to be free: to be able to quickly "grab" any chord you need (maj, min, 7th etc.) without HAVING to bar.
Does wonders for songwriting too! Wins hearts and minds and women....
I tease in the band that I'm a lazy guitar player. If I can figure out a tune using a capo and/or partial 2-3 note chords that results in less movement of my left hand, then I'm a happy camper. There's nothing noble about playing a lot of bar chords and moving all over the neck.... |
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Location: Flahdaw | Beyond all this, as I get older, barre chords bother the muscles in my lower arm. I have an old jazz tune I play (Can't Get Started)that's almost all barre chords....by the time I'm finished with that song my whole left arm is killing me. Great old song that everyone wants to hear, but I'm starting to hate playing it. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
There's nothing noble about playing a lot of bar chords and moving all over the neck.... Day-um, now ya tell me...  |
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Location: SoCal | Hey, don't listen to me. Dob's the guitar player. I'm just a lazy hack.... |
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Location: Chicago | So here's what you do: Say you're playing it in the key of C. The "grips" you can use are easy!
Cmaj7: x32000 or x35450 or x34530
Amin7: 002213
Dmin7: x53555
G13: : 3x3455 or 3x3430
E9 : x76777
Amin7: 5x5555
D13 : x5x577
etc.
What is cool about these type of grips is it's easy to learn to "walk the bass" on 'em.
What key do you do the tune in darkbar? |
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Location: SoCal | Dob, this is cool, but I've got to ask, do you have a job? |
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Location: Chicago | You got me there, bro.
Confession: I'm livin'
on a steady diet of government cheese...
in a VAN down by the river.
True story! |
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Location: SoCal | Homeless..... |
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Location: Chicago | A moveable chord in a hybrid world. I think "diminshed" is accurate... |
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