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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I don't know why the PC-Mac discussion gets so heated. Different tools for people with different perspectives on how to get things done. I totally agree on that, Dave. I will probably move to a Mac (or Linux) when M$ hits the tipping point for me on value over usability. In the meantime my needs are met.
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Value is often portrayed as the holy grail of consumerdom, but it's also just another word for "compromise". Not always. If it fills all your needs without extras you're never going to use, then it's value. If it only fulfills some of your needs at a lower price then it's a compromise.
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Maybe it's a $500. e-machine. Never! Worst piece of crap on the market. |
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Location: closely held secret | OMA - what exactly did you buy? (brand, model#) |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Didn't see earlier.. as others have said...
Just pick up an XP Pro CD, install, do the updates... done.. Vista is not ready for prime time and will never be. Windows 7 will be the way to go by all accounts..
For the MAC folks... if it works for you.. fine.. it doesn't work for everyone.. get over yourselves... sorry.. but comparing a MAC and a PC is like comparing Beer and Vodka. One is not better than the other. If want to make a Bloody Mary... all the beer on the planet ain't gonna help ya. If you want beer batter onion rings, all the Vodka in the world ain't gonna help ya. |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | If you're stuck with Vista, buy this book.
Vista Inside Out |
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Location: closely held secret | On the positive side... your reset button will be all shiny and bright! |
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Location: CA | Mac. Too much 'baggage' with PCs anymore. And am I really reading that some folks with rooms full of Adami (you know who you are) are actually quibbling about paying more for something that's better in almost every way?
Isn't this the very thing we rail against here? The argument that Celebrities are cheaper and 'good enough' — so why spend big bucks on a US made O or Adamas? |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Oddball:
Isn't this the very thing we rail against here? Not replacing my PC, which suits my needs, with a MAC has allowed me to purchase a few more 'O's & 'A'!  |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
OMA - what exactly did you buy? (brand, model#) It is an "HP Pavilion S3700F Slimline Desktop" Like This...
3GB memory & 320GB HD (of which 70GB is full of Vista stuff) They say...
"Get full desktop PC functionality in one-third the size with our Slimline s3700f PC, which looks perfect on a kitchen counter or in your family room. This powerful, space-efficient computer is ready to upgrade the quality of your digital life.
Full functionality in one-third the size
* Experience genuine Windows Vista Home Premium†† 32-bit edition with Service Pack 1
* Get reliable performance from the 2.6GHz AMD Athlon X2 5000 Dual-Core Processor
* Multitask with the 3GB PC2-6400 DDR2 SDRAM
* Enhance multimedia with the Nvidia GeForce 6150 SE graphics (128MB dedicated)
* Store data on the high-capacity 320GB, 7200 rpm SATA hard drive; add more storage via the integrated HP Pocket Media Drive bay1
* Label discs with silkscreen-quality text, photos, and designs using HP's cool LightScribe feature
* Save space with this compact design"
$429 without a monitor, just the brain-box and keyboard/mouse, but they say that they will give me $100 back.
[Oh, because of the size there are no expansion slots for other disc drives. And there might not be extra slots inside to increase memory... But I ain't a geek, so I know nuthin!]
It was the cheapest thing that they had with a card reader, for my evilBay listings. As to the webcam... I got it for $10 or so on sale. If I cannot find a driver that wants to work I can go buy another one that works for Vista, for $29 or less. This computer did recognize my Canon printer all by itself.
It is just a matter of getting used to it. Like I said, it has Really Purdy grafix. But I think it would run much better without then. 3GB memory and my XP woulda been just zooming along.
But this do have the "WOW" factor. That is what the ad execs wanted for the Mojave experiment.
So I just gotta get used to it. I didn't like the XP at first cuz I was used to using Windows98.
BTW-- anybody know what an "integrated HP Pocket Media Drive bay" is? It is a slot that looks like you put an iPod into... I'm confused :confused: |
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Location: Ohio | I just purchased a Dell laptop and made sure that XP was available. My part time thing is wedding photography, and I hav all the software I need for xp. No upgrades for vista, so I'd have to shell out BIG $$$$ for the new versions. The main one I use is avera grand for VISTA. I'm gonna baby this one for a LONG time!!!!
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Oddball:
Mac. Too much 'baggage' with PCs anymore. And am I really reading that some folks with rooms full of Adami (you know who you are) are actually quibbling about paying more for something that's better in almost every way?
Isn't this the very thing we rail against here? The argument that Celebrities are cheaper and 'good enough' — so why spend big bucks on a US made O or Adamas? Again, apples and guavas. The flaw in your argument is that a Mac is "better". This is not always true, it depends on your needs.
OMA, here is a page which will give you the XP drivers for the chipset, graphics and audio for your machine. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Wabbit... PM with stupid questions sent! |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Again, apples and guavas. The flaw in your argument is that a Mac is "better". This is not always true, it depends on your needs. Stick to apples and apples, compare the operating systems and tell me what "need" Vista fills better than Macintosh OS.
Sorry, I can't see ANY NEED that makes Vista "better" for anyone than Mac OS. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | fletcher,
I've yet to see anyone flaunt Vista. Now back to the real world...
Geeeze, let's talk wood boxes... :rolleyes: |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Don't ya just love it when the family gets together for some small talk....lol
Here is a shudder for ya: I started out on a cheapo word processor w/ an on board daisy wheel printer and no internet connection...because it wasn't invented yet...lol, I'm so Old! :eek: :eek: ;) |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | Pocket Media Drive |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by MusicMishka:
Here is a shudder for ya: I started out on a cheapo word processor w/ an on board daisy wheel printer and no internet connection...because it wasn't invented yet...lol, I'm so Old! :eek: :eek: ;) Mine was an "Adam" from Sears! (not quite up to a Commodore 64)
Dot Matrix printer and you had cassette tapes with the programs on them.
I later played with a computer that would actually speak words that you typed into it.
Back then the computer that the kid had in "War Games" (1983) was top-of-the line. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | OK, let's talk about da good ol' Sinclair, or the CIE kit! Didn't ya love the DIP switches?
I was fortunate enough to be an ECM (Electronic Countermeasures) evaluator of the HP9598, 7 1/2" disc drive, 128K 'puter for the USAF. Shiite hot at the time.
During my years as an instructor, my students would gripe bout the 'speed' of the HP. I'd have them hit the 'step' button and manually step through the program lines. Talk about an immediate appreciation of micro-processors...
Once the 'puters went from DOS to Windows, my 'puter days were limited. Please give me back the ol' DOS control... 
Day-um, I'm ancient!  |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thank You Wabbit!
BTW - Your Mailbox is FULL! |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by fletcher:
Stick to apples and apples, compare the operating systems and tell me what "need" Vista fills better than Macintosh OS.
Sorry, I can't see ANY NEED that makes Vista "better" for anyone than Mac OS. Try to pay attention.
1) I wasn't talking about Vista.
2) I didn't say Vista was "better".
3) Believe it or not, there are some things that are better/easier done in a Windows environment than OSX.
4) Macs are 2-3 times more expensive than a comparable PC. So is the software. While this may not matter to some, it does to others.
5) Mac users are becoming as insufferable as Taylor owners and ex-smokers.
6) Click. |
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Location: closely held secret | Glad to help, OMA. I cleaned out some.
Iffy, I remember the Timex Sinclair! Did some time share on the Portland State computer in high school (72). VIC20, C64/128, Atari, DOS... Been a long strange trip. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You were still in high school in 72? Punk kid. My younger brother had the VIC20 and C64. I got a 128 when they were old, about 1978. A friend got the Atari, saying it was the wave of the future. |
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Location: closely held secret | You must be old, your brain is going. The Commodore PET was introduced in '77, the VIC20 in '80, C64 in '82 and the c128 in '85. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Iffy, I remember the Timex Sinclair! Did some time share on the Portland State computer in high school (72). VIC20, C64/128, Atari, DOS... Been a long strange trip. John,
'Our'/my first wish was the multi-tasking capability and then the graphic user interface. But MS gave us the GUI and then the tasking. From that point, I, as a serious user, could no longer control my processor. Gawd, prior to that, I was considered a genius in manipulating the 256/526 RAM memory via autoexec.bat and config.sys.
I guess my point is that the PC vs. MAC argument is in the eye$ of the beholder. Power to the pupil$!
Thanx for the flashback! 
BTW, I think I have a VIC buried somewhere 'round here...
ETA, my C64 and dual drive C128 are all gone! I'll never forget learning the C128 boot thing! :eek: |
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Location: NW Washington State | I still have my Atari 800 from my first job in the computer biz. Since it incorporated state-of-the art sound and graphics, it was much better for creative people than that crappy Apple II. :)
These days it seems like computers really aren't improving much. We're still using the mouse/window/icon system that's been around for decades. Both Windows and the vaunted Mac are pieces of crap as consumer products- bloated, arcane, hard to use. It's like choosing between the firing squad and the gas chamber.
For what it's worth, rumor has it that vouchers for a free Windows 7 upgrade will be offered along with Vista PCs starting in the next week or two.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | For about $1400 they had a Touch Screen PC at OD...
I played with it for a few minutes and saw a coupla downsides to that one:
First, like the old Macs the screen and the brains were all in on neat little container...
So if something breaks, you gotta send everything in to the shop.
Second, I'm guessing that the Touch Screen ain't gonna be cheap to fix or replace.
Third, I guess you will be either washing the screen or your hands more often than usual.
Fourth, you would have to be close enough to the screen to touch it with your finger!
(Why would I wanna be that close to a big screen? And if I wanted a little screen I'd get a laptop!)
Just thinking out loud while I am awake this early/late in the morning.
[I'm still downloading more crap that they didn't think to add when they added all that crap I didn't want!] |
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Totally OT - Vista? Just got it. Any advice for the Old Guy?
