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Location: Vernon CT | Here we go again!
:rolleyes: :(
To Jack and those that supported this, I commend you.
Iffy, well said!
To those that feel slighted or wronged, come on! :confused: :rolleyes:
So much for our OFC and explaining to people all the good that comes from it and expecting them to understand it. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I knew it was a CA, it didn't bother me to contribute. I understand Bob's point especially the Ford/Chevy analogy, and consider it a valid one, IF this guitar was an exclusive effort of the club as an official action. The way I see it, one of the members here who loves guitars of all types, (like most of us do) decided to help out some soldiers overseas. He took it upon himself to buy a guitar with his own money and picked the one that in his opinion would be the most indestructible. When a few other members found out, they in turn contributed to what they thought was a worthy cause. This whole thing may have had its inception on the site, but it was an individual who decided to take action, and that individual foot the bill himself. We're just trying to help out a little. I'm sure he won't get close to the purchase price of the guitar in donations.
Tell you what, since everyone's so pissed off about this, if you guys want to make an official OFC commitment to the soldiers, I'll offer up my Adamas 1681. If I can recoup half of my original price of 1200.00, I'll donate the other 600.00 and we can send it to them as an official OFC gift.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by kotadawg:
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I gotta admit, I scanned this thread a few times and completely missed the fact that it was NOT an ovation guitar.
It was mentioned in the first post.
I think a group of people banding together to chip in and send a guitar, ANY guitar, to our heros overseas is a commendable action and I salute you. Just think maybe calling it an "OFC Ox" guitar might be a little bit of a stretch.
I hope the guitar gets a lot of use and brings some joy to those who play it. As a non contributor I probably don't deserve an opinion on this issue so I'll just leave it at that.
As far as what we post on this forum, I think all brands of guitars are fair game. Other forums such as Taylor, Martin, and Takamine have dedicated sections to "other" brands than the name-sake. Here the admins have chosen to lump it all together, which is fine too. It is what it is, you get what you get. |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Tell you what, since everyone's so pissed off about this, if you guys want to make an official OFC commitment to the soldiers, I'll offer up my Adamas 1681. If I can recoup half of my original price of 1200.00, I'll donate the other 600.00 and we can send it to them as an official OFC gift.
Your move. TJ,
I don't feel pissed, just surprised that an Ovation wasn't selected to represent the OFC as that is how the CA ended-up being presented.
How do you want the donation sent? PayPal? |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | It's amazing how someone could turn this of all things into a divisive issue. Who cares what kind of guitar it is and what it's called? It was a good deed - end of story.
Nice job Jack, Mike and to all who contributed. |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by CrimsonLake:
It's amazing how someone could turn this of all things into a divisive issue. Who cares what kind of guitar it is and what it's called? It was a good deed - end of story.
Nice job Jack, Mike and to all who contributed. Thanks, Mike
Some people just don't get it. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Hey, we could've sent an Esteban! You can't destroy something that was never any good to begin with. :D
But I agree that it doesn't matter what brand of guitar we sent. What's important is that they now have a guitar to play, and even though it's not an O, it came from generous members of the OFC. We didn't send it to promote "our" brand, we didn't send it to make O converts, we sent it to brighten the days of these brave and selfless soldiers who are over there in hellish conditions, fighting for US. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Another post with words of wisdom, Well said Alison!! :) |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by fletcher:
Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Tell you what, since everyone's so pissed off about this, if you guys want to make an official OFC commitment to the soldiers, I'll offer up my Adamas 1681. If I can recoup half of my original price of 1200.00, I'll donate the other 600.00 and we can send it to them as an official OFC gift.
Your move. TJ,
I don't feel pissed, just surprised that an Ovation wasn't selected to represent the OFC as that is how the CA ended-up being presented.
How do you want the donation sent? PayPal? |
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Location: Citizen of the Galaxy | Lighten up folks. It's just an opinion..... |
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Location: SoCal | You know, one of the things that always irritates me about this board is that when there's a difference of opinion, people take it so damned personally. You'd think we were discussing politics. Bobbo didn't agree with what was done and expressed that opinion. Why are you people taking it as a personal attack???? Why not just say, "Hmm, ok" and move on?
I hate to agree with TANSTAAFL 'cause we all know what a cowardly rat bastard he/she is (at least that's what a number of you expressed about him/her when he/she posted an opinion on the other pseudo ning board), but he/she is right (by the way, I know who TANSTAAFL is and while this person is a cowardly rat, both of his/her parents were married. To each other).
Don't make it personal and don't take it personally. And don't act so damned childish..... |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by lanaki:
it's all in the family... I get tired of it with my kids and I get tired of it on the board.... |
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Location: big island | i don't think you've ever pulled a childish prank around here, have you paul? |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
You know, one of the things that always irritates me about this board is that when there's a difference of opinion, people take it so damned personally. You'd think we were discussing politics. Bobbo didn't agree with what was done and expressed that opinion. Why are you people taking it as a personal attack???? Why not just say, "Hmm, ok" and move on?
I hate to agree with TANSTAAFL 'cause we all know what a cowardly rat bastard he/she is (at least that's what a number of you expressed about him/her when he/she posted an opinion on the other pseudo ning board), but he/she is right (by the way, I know who TANSTAAFL is and while this person is a cowardly rat, both of his/her parents were married. To each other).
Don't make it personal and don't take it personally. And don't act so damned childish..... Paul,
Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion, but I don't think it's necessary to attack people when you express it. I also think it's wrong to imply that specific members are insulted or hurt when those members are quite capable of expressing their own opinions. |
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Location: SoCal | Jack,
Go back and read the messages. It's easy to see that some people are a bit "bent".
And I don't think I attacked anybody. I attacked (I keep wanting to type "attached". The fingers are off --- I feel nap time coming up) the attitude that I've seen around here.
And by the way Jack, while I may also not necessarily agree with the guitar selected, what you did and what those who contributed did constitutes, IMHO, wonderfulness. Pure and simple..... |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by lanaki:
i don't think you've ever pulled a childish prank around here, have you paul? Moi???? Nah.... |
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| Opinions are like a**$#%es - everybody has one, and everybody's convinced theirs don't stink. I can't believe I'm agreeing with that rat-bastard TANSTAAFL, but there it is. It's just an opinion, lighten up. I can see Bobbo's point, even though I don't care what kind of guitar went there. I was happy to contribute to a worthwhile cause. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I don't know where to begin.
First, while it is ok to talk about other brands, this in the Ovation Fan Club.
Al and I are in discussion about this but here are the talking points.
1. The Ovation Fan Club was not asked or informed about any fund raising for sending anything anywhere...
2. Based on number 1, the Ovation Fan Club name was used without permission.
3. What is the liability (if any) of taking a collection for an Ovation guitar and sending another brand. I would have asked for my money back so I could use it for it was intended.
4. Everything Stonebobbo said, but especially the last two paragraphs worth repeating.. minus a couple of well placed expletives...
"This takes the cake. You've kicked a whole bunch of people in the teeth, especially people like Al, the co-founder of the Ovation FAN Club and the #1 Adamas dealer in the world ... who could have helped out this project instead of THE OFC giving their money to another dealer (no beef Mr. Stone ... you are a class act from what I know ... and thank you for your good deed and generosity). And maybe CWK2 doesn't really give a shit that you dissed him, but I care because he's done so much for everyone and everything here and perhaps deep down he's just a bit taken aback. And a whole bunch of other people here too, including the factory guys who read this board and do so fucking much for us without ever revealing themselves ... they are just happy to know people love their guitars and appreciate their workmanship. We can wax poetic about how indestructible our Ovation guitars are, and how they can go anywhere and do anything while staying in tune, blah blah blah. But if we want to drop a grand on a guitar to send to someone as a special gift? A guitar from the competing brand. Shit. And then tell the whole fucking armed services in Mosul this is from The OVATION FAN CLUB? With fans like these ... well, I just hope we all stand behind our soldiers more than we stand behind the guitars we profess to love and cherish.
Like I said before, I really do appreciate the gesture you all made. And the support you are showing for those, including my children and many friends, who are serving in a bad place. I commend all of your for your generosity. Really. Your hearts are definitely in the right place. But you've got your heads up your asses."
My random thoughts....
While Al's cute and fuzzy face is the face of the Ovation Fan Club for the most part, I built this place and to have its name used without our permission pisses me off. Then... to while we have the #1 Adamas dealer, and OTHER dealers in the club... you send another brand, from someone else in our name...
Thanks for the nice email apologizing for "offending" me??? No sir, you did not offend me, you pissed me off. Your membership here is terminated pending possible legal action.
Sending, collecting, brand etc... don't care. That fact that the Ovation Fan Club name was used without permission... IS an issue. a BIG one. From what I can tell however, you used OFC not Ovation FanClub. I'm still not too happy about it if you haven't already guessed. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by kotadawg:
Originally posted by CrimsonLake:
It's amazing how someone could turn this of all things into a divisive issue. Who cares what kind of guitar it is and what it's called? It was a good deed - end of story.
Nice job Jack, Mike and to all who contributed. Thanks, Mike
Some people just don't get it.
You used the Ovation Fan Club name without permission.... do YOU get it?
I think the sending of a guitar is a wonderful thing... why did you put it in our name? The Ovation FanClub had NOTHING to do with it. Maybe some of its members... that's fine.. but the Ovation Fan Club did not authorize the use of it's name involved with this.. we weren't even asked. |
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Location: NJ | eh.....
Al, can we solicite to send guitars over for the troops. sure
Never was I asked was it of for people to contribute cash contributions.
never was I asked to use the OFC name to represent our group.
Don't get me wrong but it is a good thing that was done but c'mom solicite money and buy ANOTHER brand of guitar ????? this is just unbelievable to me and put the OFC on it?
sorry no way.
Let me make this very clear. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING that is an official OFC project or cause does not happen without the permission of Miles or myself.
I believe I had made myself clear about solicitations long ago. How many guitars were sent to individuals who we have never ever heard from again?
too many for me to want to count them.
Although I applaud the effort and the kindness of those who contributed I cannot feel but slighted, and offended.
In fact, I don't even know the legalities of collecting money under false intentions and what type of reprecussions it has.
In closing
the OFC name should not be used without authorization by myself or Miles.
I don't want to see OFC in a CA guitar.
Oh yeah you are right many people talk about different guitars and have discussions about them and it is not a bad thing. It only broadens horizons. But don't put Ovation Fan Club on a CA that is wrong on so many levels.
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Location: Cincinnati | Miles and Al,
My apologies. I used OFC in the name as a tribute to the members that donated. I never once implied that I was taking a collection for an Ovation brand guitar or that it was on behalf of the OFC itself. I only posted the thread after some people got word about the guitar and asked for info on making donations. I will tell SPC. Winters to not use "OFC" in referring to the guitar and to not post photos of it here. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Al, and specifically Miles,
I ask publicly as an active member of this club that I am very appreciative of it exsitance and the effort the 2 of you have put into, to please "pardon" Kotadawg and reinstate him. I truly beleive his intentions for using the OFC name was to honor the club and not to do harm. He inadvertantly used the name you 2 created in a way Miles obviously is offended by and he obviously feels remorse. NOT in his kind gesture as all off us agree happened,but in his approach.
I think WE ALL have learned from this and all hope we can move forward positively.
To Michael and your brave friends,
Please do not let what you may read dampen your spirits. We are a "family" with a common love. families fight disagree and make mistakes.
The one common positive about all this is we are ALL proud of all of you and are honored to "know" you. Thank-you for serving and protecting us all. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Wow!! :eek:
I'm at work and just dropped in to see what was going on today while I was on break.
I'm not sure what to think. I see both sides and my thoughts are;
Michael, Enjoy playing the guitar,(what ever brand),on your down time and Kick a little terrorist ass on your up time.When you get back give me a holler and we'll sit on my back porh and play some guitar and sip on a beer if it's hot or coffee if it's cold. |
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