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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Glenn;
How does it sound and play? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by numbfingers:
Anyone have a link to the eBay listing? Seems strange to discuss this without that. Or did I miss it somewhere in the thread?
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| Hi Wayne,
nice to hear from you again, and it's sure been a while.
I did not tune it up... but, as it is.. it was close to D.. and I didn't want to take a chance of aggravating the HS crack.
it plays well and the action is fair at the 12th..
it has strings on it that are at least 39 years old by Walt's recollection so hard to make the evaluation as to the tone.
it definitely sounds like a vintage shiny-bowl and the projection is good.
I don't think it will need a bowl-bend, but I am not the expert.
I played a few songs on it, the frets have no appreciable wear that I could see, the string gauge was pretty light on the guitar... 10s or maybe 11s,
they may even be factory strings(after the Grover upgrade) with as little play time as is claimed to be on the guitar... Walt actually said only 2 hours of play are on the guitar... but that's pretty hard to believe for a 43 yo.. so I put the # at 5.. but may be as he claims.
standard vintage O profile on the neck, the top is pretty flawless.. just 2 tiny scuffs were all I could find. and those will buff right out.
The bracing was like nothing I've seen on an O before. it was an X brace with a thin vertical brace headed up toward the soundhole at center from the intersection.. but I couldn't see below to the underside of the X... I tried... just couldn't get the mirror right with the light at the same time.
hope that helps.
hope you are well Wayne!
Best Regards, and thanks for all of your help on the UKXII/Bluebird neck UK.
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Location: michigan | Seeing the interaction on this board is really cool. I belong to a few message boards and it is great how folks work together worldwide when transactions like this become available. As I look through this thread, I feel fortunate to have bought one of the balladeer reissues. Acoustically, everyone loves it over all my others. I am sure glad they made them this good back in the sixties so I could enjoy such a killer reissue. It is great this guitar has so much history. Long live the shiny bowls, past , present (and hopefully, but probably not) the future. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by GHessSr:
I don't think it will need a bowl-bend You got me on that one, what's a bowl-bend? |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Glenn;
Thanks for all your help showcasing this old beauty for everyone here to see and read about. |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Originally posted by GHessSr:
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we have the photos, and the history and Mr. and Mrs. Carney are amenable to at least sending Jerome copies and scans of all of the documents for the Ovationtribute site.
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Regards,
Glenn Thank you Glenn for your time and efforts to made this possible for everyone here .... and for the pics :) .... and 'cause it's great that such important documents will be available for Ovationtribute, that is to say, for all of us.
As I already wrote to Jerome, I've no interest in bidding for this guitar.
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Location: SoCal | Just a FYI, Jerome REFUSED a direct financial contribution to help him as who knows where the end price will go...and, as I stated, the seller deserves a fair price. He is fully prepared to seriously go after this guitar.
However, there is a "DONATE" button on his website (to support his website). ;)
DONATE
Donation is absolutely voluntary. For those that have been around for awhile, we have gained so much from Jerome's efforts. If you haven't visited his site, check it out. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Auction has been pulled on ebay. It wasn't me, although I would have jumped in to keep it in the OFC if Jerome got out bid.
Hope somebody here, or maybe Jerome himself, got it. Or maybe the seller has rethought the deal and will relist it with a nice reserve.
I must admit for the past few days my stomach has been churning between "that would really be cool to have" and "exactly what the hell would I do with it".
Sometimes stuff happens for a reason. |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Auction has been pulled on ebay. Well, what the hell!
I had been bidding on that since it was first listed (before all the threads got started here) and now it's suddenly pulled?
I would like some answers! |
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| Originally posted by standing:
Originally posted by GHessSr:
I don't think it will need a bowl-bend You got me on that one, what's a bowl-bend?
Re: Pulling of the auction.. I have no clue as to why...
I'll give Walt a call tomorrow... but I'll bet that he and mom are going to put it back up for auction along with all of the ephemera, written history, and the guitar in it's current state...along with any Ovation souvenirs she still has... he said they didn't want to send it to New Hartford for the repairs though, and were just trying to get the best deal for what they have.
THIS WAS NOT MY IDEA!!!
He also deals in military items/Weapons/uniforms and ephemera from the Revolutionary wars, war between the states, old west, WWI, WWII, KW, and VN and knows what documentation and provenance can do to enhance an items' value and desirability to and for the RIGHT buyer.
Fletcher... there's your answers.. and explains a lot about your responses to these threads..
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by GHessSr:
Fletcher... there's your answers.. and explains a lot about your responses to these threads..
Regards,
Glenn I guess I'll respond to this edited version although I did have the pleasure of seeing your original posting...
Glenn,
I made one comment during the course of these 2 threads and that was in response to your request for opinions on whether or not the headstock repair should be covered under warranty.
I stated it seemed pretty sketchy to me to expect that. The owner had lived with the break for so many years and, according to your posting, the break had occurred when the tuners had been changed by the factory at the owners request.
That opinion of what seemed fair to me had nothing to do with the fact I had been bidding on the guitar prior to your involvement.
Nice edit by the way - Miles? |
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Location: SoCal | Again, I was not bidding on the item.
Just my opinion and the seller can do anything they want...not sure where the bidding was when it was closed but the seller created the listing, determined the starting price, determined the length of the AUCTION.
To close it on good faith bidders is unsat!
Oh my, gee whiz, there is a lot of interest in this, maybe I should re-think the listing...c'mon, most of the bidding would have been in the last two minutes. |
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Location: Paris/France | Hope somebody here, or maybe Jerome himself, got it It is not me!!
As I told you, I was ready to play the game and to wake up at 4AM Paris time to click on the button.
If someone bought it directly, it's not "fair play" but what can I do??
If Walt wants to relist this guitar with a reserve price, I'll be there again to try to get it.
If he relists it with a BIN, I hope to be in front of my computer before someone buy it.
Ok, it's not the end of the world but I have to admit that I'm a little bit disappointed because I was dreaming of this Balladeer and it would have been a nice gift for Christmas. :(
A suivre...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Unfortunately that's just the way direct auctions work. Seller is not obligated to run the auction to the end. Maybe disappointing to those who bid, but I don't see anything inheriently wrong with the seller changing his mind or selling it outright if he gets an offer he can't refuse. Which is probably what happened in this case. |
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| Sucks for Jerome, but Dave's absolutely correct. In 2 instances where I had a guitar listed on eBay I also had it listed locally. Each of those wound up selling locally before the auction end time, so I simply ended the auction early. Of course, I stated that they were for sale locally and that as the seller I reserved the right to end the auction in case of a local sale, but nowhere does eBay require you to state that, or provide any reason for ending an auction. You can even end an auction with bids, in which case you have the option of going ahead with the sale to the highest bidder at that time, although they can decline it. |
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Location: Utah | I'd agree, unsat to pull the auction. It was not stated "available for local sale" or any other condition. With the interest generated on this forum the bidding would have gone as high as it ever would, and certainly higher than if it had not been discovered and posted here.
That guitar is not worth that much money. It has definite sentimental value to a very small number of people. But that sentimental value probably doesn't translate to many $. In the end, it is a damaged guitar with an interesting low serial number.
Presuming that the seller is going to relist with a bunch of memorabilia, I really don't see it being worth more than the additional separate worth of the memorabilia.
Maybe I'm all washed up on this one, but even as an O addict who would be interested in buying an old Balladeer, I don't see this as a collectible that will appreciate in value. It isn't an investment it is a purchase. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I cancelled an auction once to sell a guitar privately here on the OFC. A dozen members WHO HAD NOT EVEN BID crucified me for being unethical. The one member WHO BOUGHT IT thanked me for providing him the guitar of his dreams. Go figure. |
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Location: Paris/France | Hi,
I'm back home after work and I've got a very kind, long and very clear message from the seller.
The guitar is not sold yet and he told me that he want to talk with his mother to send it back to the factory for repair before to relist it in few weeks.
Walt (the seller) is really a nice guy and you can count on me for being there the next time.
I want to explain my feeling this morning when I saw that the auction was canceled.
I was just very disappointed because I don't like to loose especially when the rules are "cheated"...
I've never asked to a seller to cancel an auction and to sell me something directly.
And I really love the excitation of the moment when I click to buy and the few seconds before the end when I refresh the page each time to know if I won.
That's why I had this reaction this morning, I really was disappointed, I felt like "robbed", it's human that's all!!
I'm going back to work in my music room, I have lots of work for taking care of all the nice guitars I'm lucky to own.
J :) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Excellent! Let's hope it all works out next time around. Good for you, Jerome. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Glad you're going to have another shot at it, Jerome. I'll be pulling for you! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | "Winning" an ebay auction is like SWMBO "saving" money by buying clothes on sale. If you really "won" or "saved", you wouldn't be writing a check. I've bought a couple that were great deals and lost out on a few that were worth more to someone else than they were to me. Lately I've felt relieved if I get outbid on ebay and I don't worry about having lost.
I think the second guitar I ever bid on was an old shiney bowl Josh White. There was this guy who went by StandingOvation who was bidding against me, so I checked him out and found out he was way over my head. I didn't know it was taboo, so I contacted him and he told me what he thought it was worth. Someone else sniped both of us. I had regrets for awhile, but the contacts with the OFC led me to many better guitars and many fine people. So don't get too upset about "losing" out on an auction. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
"Winning" an ebay auction is like SWMBO "saving" money by buying clothes on sale. If you really "won" or "saved", you wouldn't be writing a check. I've always thought that was the funniest thing about the ebay mentality.
"I won, I won!" ...no, actually you not only bought it, you also competed with others to see who would pay the most for it. |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
I've always thought that was the funniest thing about the ebay mentality.
"I won, I won!" ...no, actually you not only bought it, you also competed with others to see who would pay the most for it. Good thing I guess about having "dial-up": you resign yourself to setting a price and hoping - last minute updates are simply impractical. Probably has saved me alot over the years by keeping me from getting caught-up in last minute frenzies. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Probably just semantics- substitute "prevailed" for "won", on the end-of-auction thing.
Interesting, the way this scenario is playing out. I appreciate the diversion & entertainment immensely. |
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Question Re: 1966 Balladeer currently on e-bay
