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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
That's normal. Usually when the bookmatch doesn't quite line up they designate those for black finishes. Sand down a black guitar sometime and you'll be amazed what you might find. Welcome Kev, Come back and post a photo as Mr.O suggested. Your criticism is just, but maybe a few years too late. Typically, we expect to have the seam of a bootmatched top fall along the center-line of the guitar. Even if the intention was there, no one guarantees it, especially if function is not compromised. You are just getting into building them yourself and it is so much more apparent to you now. Upon initially receiving the guitar, I'd view it as a valid cosmetic issue worth addressing. Now after living with it for so long, cherish it as an example of what not to do. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Hi bugeyed,
Could you post a clear picture of the top that shows the whole top. It would be easier I think to get perspective if we could see the top, neck and bridge in one photo.
Thanks OK, FWIW I tried to keep paralax from being a factor in these pix. Hope you can see clearly. Sorry about the arm rest, but it ain't comin' off. Now, I am not pursuing any answers any longer. The original question, sound impact, was answered, so these shots are posted for informational purposes only & because I was asked to. I love my Ovation & the company. That was never in question!
Oops, forgot to include the neck in the shot. It's set perfectly with the bridge though. That was never an issue. Here's one of the side cutaway & the way the neck is angled a bit.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | kev,
Thanx for hangin' in 'dere with us! We really do appreciate legitimate 'O' questions and the pics.
Hang around... ya got the attitude that's appreciated when the pressure is on! Oh yeah, BTW, welcome to the 'feeding frenzy'...  |
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you can't win against these "expert luthiers of supreme plastic". Don't even try. They have all the answers before you even prove them wrong.
Build your own guitars. Out of real wood. You'll end up far happier. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by joesurf:
Bugeyed,
you can't win against these "expert luthiers of supreme plastic". Don't even try. They have all the answers before you even prove them wrong.
Build your own guitars. Out of real wood. You'll end up far happier. I'd build one out of composites if I could. Played a CA OX Raw finish & it sounded great! I do like my O though. At least I don't have to worry about it quite as much as the Lowden when playing outside. Now, the CA I could play in the rain??? Like I would want to. |
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| Good idea.
Play with the plastic in the rain
Save the real guitar for sunny days |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by joesurf:
Build your own guitars. Out of real wood. You'll end up far happier. May we have some pics of your "happier" builds? |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Originally posted by joesurf:
Build your own guitars. Out of real wood. You'll end up far happier. May we have some pics of your "happier" builds? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | they sound better when they are made that way |
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Location: Colorado | Dave, I tried sanding the black paint off my Adamas and never found the wood grain. :D |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Hey bugeyed,
I was hoping for a full top photo. From where the neck attaches to the end. As straight on as you can get. That will show any neck skew, alignment, etc etc.. Thanks |
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Location: Utah | Looking at and measuring my '07C, the bridge is similarly "off center". The book matching line of the two top pieces of wood goes right down the middle of the bridge, so the bridge appears at a casual glance to be perfectly centered in the guitar, though it is not.
So I would say that your bridge is properly placed as compared to other Ovations. The line between the two pieces of wood doesn't match perfectly to the bridge on your guitar. Is that line centered to the edges of the guitar?
I'm guessing that the book matching is centered and the bridge is properly placed with respect to the neck. The off center look is an optical illusion. Whether it is an aesthetic fault would be in the eye of the beholder.
Beal says it sounds better made that way, but he ran a gas station before becoming a wandering minstrel and so I might defer to JoeSurf who seems to know so much more about "real guitars". :rolleyes: |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by Todd G.:
Dave, I tried sanding the black paint off my Adamas and never found the wood grain. :D Keep sanding. You'll find it, right under that nasty coat of carbon fibre. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by FlySig:
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So I would say that your bridge is properly placed as compared to other Ovations. The line between the two pieces of wood doesn't match perfectly to the bridge on your guitar. Is that line centered to the edges of the guitar?
I'm guessing that the book matching is centered and the bridge is properly placed with respect to the neck. The off center look is an optical illusion. Whether it is an aesthetic fault would be in the eye of the beholder.
snip I think if you look at the second set of pictures, you will see that the bridge is not centered on the top. Regardless of where the top joint is. Even if it's not true, I am going to go with the theory that the builder tap tuned the top & then studied the Chladni patterns & placed the bridge accordingly. ;)
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Welcome Bugeyed. On another topic, what do you think of the armrest? I don't recall much discussion about them on these boards. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
Welcome Bugeyed. On another topic, what do you think of the armrest? I don't recall much discussion about them on these boards. I love the John Pearse rest. I have a homemade version on my Lowden S10 & it makes a huge difference. The top sings much louder when my forearm is not damping the vibration. If your arm doesn't contact the top, I don't know if it would be useful, except maybe to soften the edge a bit. They stick pretty well too, so mine are considered permanent. Do a test for yourself by strumming without touching the top & then let your forearm lay across the top. You should hear the difference. YMMV |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Thanks, Bugeye. Makes logical sense from my lay perspective. Maybe one of our member engineers will jump in here and add further comment. Does it attach to the side, therefore avoiding contact with the top? My gigs are all plugged in, so dampened top vibration is not so much a concern for me. I was thinking purely about comfort. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Hey bugeyed,
I was hoping for a full top photo. From where the neck attaches to the end. As straight on as you can get. That will show any neck skew, alignment, etc etc.. Thanks Here ya go. Not sure if it shows what you're looking for. As I mentioned before, the neck is set properly in relation to the bridge.
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Location: Warren,Pa. | I was all excited to get me one of those MuzzleMates but the website doesn't exist : ( |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | The strap button looks to be properly aligned with the bridge as well, not that it makes any difference. Bugeyed, your eyes and sense of proportion are most certainly better than mine. I don't see any issues whatsoever. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
Thanks, Bugeye. Makes logical sense from my lay perspective. Maybe one of our member engineers will jump in here and add further comment. Does it attach to the side, therefore avoiding contact with the top? My gigs are all plugged in, so dampened top vibration is not so much a concern for me. I was thinking purely about comfort. The rest mounts with a double sided tape along the edge of the top. Right where the edge & side meet. The rest is hollow underneath & only touches the top along the edge. The vibration of the top is not impacted 'cause under that area is the kerf strip on an all wood guitar & the O bowl has a lip for the top to glue to. |
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Location: Conroe, Texas | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
The strap button looks to be properly aligned with the bridge as well, not that it makes any difference. Bugeyed, your eyes and sense of proportion are most certainly better than mine. I don't see any issues whatsoever. ??? The strap button is most certainly not aligned with the bridge. It is close to being aligned with the top seam, & that is not aligned with the bridge either. It's a moot point though, as the original question was whether this obviously misaligned bridge (illustrated by the pictures with the ruler) would effect the sound. I have been assured that it doesn't. |
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| Bug- on a finely crafted guitar the bridge would be mounted centered. Everthing should line up even. Not so on lower end models, even lower end wood boxes (import Martin, Gibsons, etc). Go to any store and measure the Ibanez, Takamine, Yamaha bridges....they won't be perfect I guarantee. Don't expect it of an Ovation either. |
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