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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Paul, and you know nothing about me, yet you are able to speculate on my life decisions based on a few posts on an internet forum?
Between what TJ and Al both said (and I trust their judgement), it DOES sound to me like they had major quality control problems. People are unlikely to spend that kind of money on something that has sloppy construction issues, when there are other guitars in that price range that are flawless, or nearly so. If every person who bought a CA and had to send it back tells their other musician friends, I think it is likely that they changed the minds of any who were considering a CA. Lose enough sales and you can't make a profit. Can't make a profit, go out of business. It's as simple as that. |
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Location: SoCal | It might have nothing to do with quality control and everything to do with the economy. WE DON'T KNOW and that's what Temp was pointing out in his usual blunt way. Speculating based on a little information is usually pointless.
Let's not get in a pissing war people........ |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | :) :cool: ;) :eek: :confused: :D :p |
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Location: Scotland | So, you continue to justify an opinion on a subject about which you freely admit to having no prior knowledge, based on a handful of posts from persons with whom your only significant interaction is on an internet message board. That continues to make no sense to me. Maybe it's just a personal thing but I prefer to base my opinions on evidence that is little more objective, substantial and quantifiable. Now, in my post I made an observation, not a personal
attack, yet you chose to take it personaly. If you are going to pontificate about something that by your own admission
you are completely clueless you need a bigger set of balls when someone calls you out on it. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Paul, I don't want to argue. However, I DID preface my remark with "Seems to me", which should indicate that I was speculating, and I notice you didn't have anything to say about Twistedlim's post, where HE was speculating on a possible reason. I would also like to ask you how you can claim that "Rainsongs suck", unless of course you have played so many of THEM that you have gained an authoritative voice on THAT subject. As for "pontificating", no, I stated an OPINION, based on what I have heard from people I have gotten to know pretty well, NOT just on this message board, but through phone calls, e-mails, and many purchases of fine guitars.
And if you don't want people taking your "observations" as personal attacks, then simply stop bringing speculations about their personal lives into the conversation, or someone might accuse you of being completely clueless, and needing a bigger set of balls. |
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Location: Scotland | Thanks, now it makes sense. I appreciate the clarification, you are truly an asset to this community, your insights are valued. |
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Location: Australia | Why did they go under, no one here really knows unless they work for the company, it's all speculation. It could have absolutely nothing to do with how "good" or well made the product is.
Generally speaking, it's very tough for carbon fibre to make inroads into a very traditional almost snobbish spruce/rosewood world.
I doubt Ovation would survive if all they had to sell was Adamas. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Does anybody really CARE why they folded?
I say good riddence, so long, and thanks for all the fish. One less competitor for Ovation and Adamas to have to worry about.
Sure it sucks if people got sacked in the process, but hopefully they are fine luthiers and can land on their feet elsewhere. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Does anybody really CARE why they folded?
I say good riddence, so long, and thanks for all the fish. One less competitor for Ovation and Adamas to have to worry about.
Sure it sucks if people got sacked in the process, but hopefully they are fine luthiers and can land on their feet elsewhere. Actually I think competition is good. I don't know for sure that Ovation "worried" about the competition, but just the existance of folks like Rainsong and CA, must have on occasion be used as a reference. No matter how good you are at your craft, when you are the only game in town, there is not as much motivation or inspiration for improvement as there is when there is competition or at least copytition. |
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Location: Colorado | Nice Douglas Adams reference Dave |
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Location: Huntington Beach | I met and interviewed Ellis Seal at NAMM 09 - see here . The product looked very good and his booth, presentation and marketing materials were all excellent (expensive). In the NAMM environment its next to impossible to accurately assess an acoustic instrument. They looked unique and necks felt good. Don't remember the exact figures but I had the impression that they were on the high side compared to a comparably appointed all-wood guitar. With any product it all boils down to sales. I never saw them in any SoCal stores. The most successful companies I've done business with have not always had the best product in the market but they do have a bulldog of a National Sales Manager who drives sales. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | "I never saw them in any SoCal stores."
I have never seen one in either of the local guitar stores that I visit around here.
And they even have an Ovation or two, sometimes... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by elginacres:
Nice Douglas Adams reference Dave Only a few of the usual members "got it". |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by elginacres:
Nice Douglas Adams reference Dave Only a few of the usual members "got it". |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My pulse rate is far too low for panic mode. Or maybe I'm dead already and nobody told me yet. WOW. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Or maybe I'm dead already and nobody told me yet. So long, and ... yada, yada, yada. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Dave, yer killin me............ |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | ... better you than me. And I mean that in the kindest way. |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by stephent28:
Dave, yer killin me............ I thought you killed yourself in the "Who was born on your birthday" thread? |
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