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Location: Flahdaw | On the other hand, I remember playing a tape of me playing and singing to some girl I was out on a date with while we were out "parking." She basically said that I wasn't very good. Fortunately I didn't give up playing based on her "review", but I did give up on her. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | It's okay, Alan. Your playing is just too complex for them to understand.
(but you did lose me at about 20 seconds, so I must be a dummy too! :p ) |
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Location: Newington, CT | Lol! No one's a dummy here! I'm pretty sure I never implied that anywhere...At least I held onto you for 20 seconds, OMA! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | OMA fell asleep at the 12 second mark Alan.
It was his 8 seconds of snoring that woke him up and made him think the first 20 were good :rolleyes: |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | It's like you're making some kind of abstract painting.
not everyone likes abstract
you gotta know what kind of responce you're going to get ahead of time
and guess what, you get it
I don't really like what you're doing. So what, the important thing is that you're doing it and keep doing it. You might not like what I'm doing, might find it boring or too predictable (or predickable), fine so what. I'm going to keep doing it till I get much better. So are you.
good luck
I gotta go
The last two days were all golf, the next three are all guitar and playing mexican vs forsithia. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Beal:
It's like you're making some kind of abstract painting.
not everyone likes abstract
you gotta know what kind of responce you're going to get ahead of time
and guess what, you get it
I don't really like what you're doing. So what, the important thing is that you're doing it and keep doing it. You might not like what I'm doing, might find it boring or too predictable (or predickable), fine so what. I'm going to keep doing it till I get much better. So are you.
good luck
I gotta go
The last two days were all golf, the next three are all guitar and playing mexican vs forsithia. Thanks, Beal! I WILL keep trying to get better.
Brad: calm down...it's not like I kicked your dog 'er anything. I posted a recording.
Beal's right...I knew what response I'd get (except for the genuinely constructive ones, for which many thanks!), and I gave permission to give that response with the "eye-rolling" thing.
So, the bottom line: golf and guitar... if that doesn't sum up a perfect weekend, I don't know what does. |
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Location: nashville | I never got Frank Zappa but I could tell he knew how to play. |
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Location: Texas | Geniuses are like thunderstorms. They go against the wind, terrify people, cleanse the air. -Kierkegaard- |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | It would sound purr-fect at one of those hippy poetry readings I used to go to. If you could get a booking at one of those, circa 1971 or so, I think it'd go over really big!
If you're not honking someone off you're boring. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | You tuned!
IYCSSN, STHU |
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Location: south east Michigan | ? |
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Location: Newington, CT | I'm guessing: If you can't say something nice, shut the heck up. |
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Location: south east Michigan | In general, I agree.
Except when someone openly solicites feedback. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by AlanM:
You may feel free to dump on it to your heart's content. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Waskel:
Originally posted by AlanM:
You may feel free to dump on it to your heart's content.
But, really, all I did was provide a translation for MWoody's "IYCSSN, STHU" a couple posts back. I didn't suggest that anyone actually follow the advice, now did I?
And I did ALSO encourage constructive criticism, which some were kind enough to provide.
All who feel so inclined may resume dumpage.
I'm startin' ta think I'm providin' an important cathartic outlet for some with serious pent-up anger issues, or stress or somethin'!
I mean, ye'd think I was goin' 'round kickin' yer puppies, er questionin' yer ancestry, er somethin'! Sheesh! It's just a song!
That is all. |
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Location: closely held secret | No anger here. I was simply agreeing with Slip. And I did give you constructive criticism, as did others. |
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Location: south east Michigan | All who feel so inclined may resume dumpage. Doesn't this kinda sound like our old pal Glen?
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Why assume "dumpage"? Maybe I'm missing something. If there is some positivity out there, I'd like to hear it.
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Alan... for the last time... you have a real talent. It's just a real shame you can't figure out how to put it to better use. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | I think the horse has expired, some time ago. I'm pleased one of my creations was used in a creative effort.
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Slipkid:
All who feel so inclined may resume dumpage. Doesn't this kinda sound like our old pal Glen?
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Why assume "dumpage"? Maybe I'm missing something. If there is some positivity out there, I'd like to hear it.
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Alan... for the last time... you have a real talent. It's just a real shame you can't figure out how to put it to better use.
Brad: this is MORE than an LOL...this is an ROFL! I've been nothing but cheerful in ALL my responses. If you're seeing self-pity or something in there, you're ummmmmm... mistaken.
Look three posts back from your post. Never let it be said that when THIS group is invited to dump, they will not rise to that call and perform skillful, witty, pithy and bombastic dumpage! Hence, the assumption of dumpage. A valid assumption, I might add.
Regarding your call for "positivity," I've had several private messages -- some REALLY private even going outside the PM system here -- to say that overall they liked the song, but had some critiques, and gave them...However, they were reluctant to voice the positive openly, because there seemed to be a tide of the exact opposite coming through here.
Hey, the flavor of this place is a particular one, and posting something here for review and comment is NOT for the thin-skinned. In answer to the frequent "Why do you do it?" questions: I'm just not at all thin-skinned.
At the same time, amid all the dumpage, one WILL get some excellent, substantive and helpful critiques from skilled, knowledgeable guitarists and musicians -- and frequently with clever and imaginative imagery. I look for those, while the rest is entertainment.
Quite a while back, a sometime poster here admonished the membership to post something of their own before presuming to pan the work of others. I wouldn't go QUITE that far. But, I DO understand why there is a paucity of postings asking for review and comment. Tough crowd! People here frequently encourage others to post something from a guitar they've recently acquired. Might want to change up the mood a bit if you ACTUALLY want others to post things for review.
As regards "Steady Rain," I DO like it. Quite a bit, actually. It's not perfect, of course. Far from it. But, I visit it from time to time, and just to listen. Again, I DO actually like some of what I do. Otherwise, what's the point of doing it?
On that "note," as you know from previous posts, I've been making things that I've called "Soundscapes," or "Meditations," or "Moods." It's because I like to do that. I set up a backing track, and just improvise over it. Pretty simple methodology actually. It's what I have the time and circumstances to do. Furthermore, it produces things that I enjoy listening to. I've understood that, with few exceptions, that's just not well-liked here. My reaction to that is simple: to each his own. I got where I got -- musical taste-wise -- my own way...everyone else did the same. Nothing wrong with that.
So, I'm going to take Beal's advice and try to improve that which I like to do. And, I'm going to take the others' advice to try to dial back the layering and improvisation, (cf. G8r's excellent and image-laden critique) while paying more attention to composition and greater thematic coherence. And, I'll post here for review and comment. Again, I'll probably encourage you all -- pre-emptively -- to dump if you feel so inclined. 'Cause some of you just will... but I'll be DARNED if I'll not at LEAST let you know that I know it's coming! And all that's ok.
I'm not sure what else remains to be said about all this, but feel free if you so desire.
My thanks to one and all for a lively exchange, and for some interesting and sometimes excellent feedback! |
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Location: Flahdaw | I am waiting for the day AlanM posts a new recording and blows us all away. He's finally taken all the criticisms, suggestions, and advice and he creates a masterpiece. I have faith. (I also have a nasty icepick wound to an important part of my brain).
I hereby challenge you Alan....one recording, no more than 73 tracks, each track in the same key, same song being played on each track. I know you don't HAVE to appease us....I mean, who the heck are WE. Still, it might be fun. What do you say? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Again, I'll probably encourage you all -- pre-emptively -- to dump if you feel so inclined. ... and another thing.
(just kidding... I'm done wit cha)
Alan.. just to remind you, as author of this thread your are within your rights to have it closed. Just ask Miles or Al. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by dark bar:
I am waiting for the day AlanM posts a new recording and blows us all away. He's finally taken all the criticisms, suggestions, and advice and he creates a masterpiece. I have faith. (I also have a nasty icepick wound to an important part of my brain).
I hereby challenge you Alan....one recording, no more than 73 tracks, each track in the same key, same song being played on each track. I know you don't HAVE to appease us....I mean, who the heck are WE. Still, it might be fun. What do you say? Don't hold yer breath...
JUST KIDDING!!!
Yes, it would be fun. When I have the time and opportunity, I'll give it a try, and let you know that I've done it...of course, with all the up-front encouragement to everyone to perform dumpage...
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| The problems with this piece are the same as the problems with all the other pieces.
1. Tuning.
Each guitar may be in tune to itself but not with all the others. It is sad you can't hear it. All tuners will tell you that +/- 3% is close enough, but if the E string is at -3% on one guitar and at
+3% on the next guitar, although their individual tuners say they are in tune they are in fact 6% out which is twice the passable limit. If the tuners between guitars are themselves 1 or 2
% varied then the resultant cacophony is horrible. Even if you are playing like an angel and the tune is by Verdi it will sound like a cat being castrated with a rusty can opener. This is
why everyone makes the crack about playing in the same key.
2. Laziness.
Because you loop essentially the same handful of chords each time, always with open drones ringing on, you never give yourself the chance to develop anything harmonically. The
continued presence of any combination of the E,B and G strings in every chord means that every time you hit C or F in your one augmented pentatonic scale there is disharmony
whether you want it or not, and it's always the same disharmony that cannot be developed. It also inhibits any meaningful opportunity to shift modes because the other guitars are stuck
to the drone.
Because you never write anything recognisable as a melody or basic developing riff you have nowhere to go and nowhere to return to.
So because you just throw together a practice loop of the same old chords you end up with the same old scale over the top.
But of course by doing what you do and then posting it up you become the centre of attention, which I suspect may be the aim in doing it. Now you've told us you have secret admirers
who dare not show their names why don't you just post the link to them privately? Then everyone will be happy. I can see no flaws in this argument. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Alan, I offered my critique and read most of the responses with amusement but whenever I see these types of comments it really turns me off because it is what some of our former crazies use to use for their defense.....the invisible PM's and emails professing the love.
Originally posted by AlanM:
I've had several private messages -- some REALLY private even going outside the PM system here -- to say that overall they liked the song, but had some critiques, and gave them...However, they were reluctant to voice the positive openly, because there seemed to be a tide of the exact opposite coming through here. If they really "liked" the song, then they should step up and say so instead of lurking in the shadows. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if they are not willing to openly step up to the spotlight and state it, it is all fantasy.
Having you make the "pronouncements of love" from the invisible, really only harms your credibility IMHO.....but it is only my opinion and if someone wishes to disagree I hope they have the guts to state it online in this discussion instead of lurking in the shadows.....and not only tell us that they like it but TELL US WHY they like it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | For 30 years I've regretted my failure to learn music theory, but it's one of the bucket list items I'm working on. I just know what sounds good or bad to me, but I don't know why.
All I could tell from the the video was what other people said. It sounded good at first and then got progressively worse as you added layers.
Schroeder's explanation seems to put into words what our ears were telling us, although paragraph 2 was over my head. I can't attest to the rusty canopener analogy, but I do know how bad an old Siamese sounds. You weren't quite that bad, but I could turn you off after a few seconds.
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Seesquare's MondoMando in action (let the eye-rolling commence!)...
