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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Slipkid:
Yeah.. as nice as the review might sound, Paul has the right take on it.
When I first read it the "spec for spec" thing it did sound a little fishy to me..
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So.. the Celebs are still a glued on neck, right?
And I think I've read that the EliteT is also.
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Does any the models from over there use the LX bold on neck system?
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And with 99% of the line made over there, I wonder if the "Celebrity" labels will go away. probably not. |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...fergit it. Sorry to bother. buhbye. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Too little, too late. Maybe if there had been more like this about the USA guitars they'd still be in production. Instead we seem to be happy that an inferior imported guitar is getting a good reveiw. Well excuse me for not sharing your enthusiasm. I agree the USA ones are better and were worth the extra money. No reviews and no product you could ytu killed the USA line. In honest Korean are a lot guitar for the money. They lack magic thats in USA made. I glad these got but I am not buying one. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Now THIS is a great thread..... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
"In order to make Custom Legends accessible to more players, Ovation's off-shore factory has been professionally retooled to create guitars that match the U.S.-made Custom Legends spec for spec"
No, no no. This is absolute horse-shit. This kind of marketing rhetoric should be illegal. Fender make me want to puke. Spec for Spec? Really? REALLY? Don't get me started. Here is the Difference...
Fender will PAY for a positive Review...
(Also supply artists and shows with free guitars and equipment)
Apparently Ovation would not. |
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Location: Tennessee | Ovation had integrity. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Slipkid:
So.. the Celebs are still a glued on neck, right?
And I think I've read that the EliteT is also. Elite T's have a Bolt-on Neck... TX's are Celebrity glue-on.
Does any the models from over there use the LX bold on neck system? No... At least not yet. I think that the LX system is too much work.
And with 99% of the line made over there, I wonder if the "Celebrity" labels will go away. I believe that the AX/TX are being made in the same factory as the newer Ultras were. Hence the dovetail necks like the old 2171'd and 2178's. Since Ovation was already making the Ultras in Korea and finishing them in CT, Fender figgered "Why do ANY work in the USA?" The Ultra factory was already there, we'll just ship all of the manufacture over there $$$
Many of the Cheezier Celebs are made in China... My CC54i was. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Ovation had integrity. Integrity, yes. Major celebrity endorsments, no... |
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Location: Scotland | The offshore Ovations are undoubedtly decent instruments, which represent great value, and offer excellent performance at their price point. They may well deserve the plaudits in what is, as someone pointed out, an infomercial for a discount chain. But to suggest that an instrument with a street retail price less than the factory production cost of a USA example can be compared "spec for spec" is patently nonsense and is misleading enough to border on the illegal. And that is what I find offensive about the whole thing. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | professionally retooled
Yeah, riiiiiight............ |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Beal:
professionally retooled
Yeah, riiiiiight............ Wasn't John Wayne Bobbitt "professionally retooled?" |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by dark bar:
Wasn't John Wayne Bobbitt "professionally retooled?" [/QB] that would be "de-tooled" surely? |
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| Templeman: "But to suggest that an instrument with a street retail price less than the factory production cost of a USA example can be compared "spec for spec" is patently nonsense and is misleading enough to border on the illegal. And that is what I find offensive about the whole thing."
Why could it not be possible? I'm not saying that the claim is true, but if foreign workers are being paid almost nothing, why, then, couldn't the specs be identical or nearly identical? If labor is pennies on the dollar, specs wouldn't have to be sacrificed for the manufacturer to still have a sizable--even greater--margin of profit.
And as for "...and is misleading enough to border on the illegal," I would argue that you need to relax your nerves as well your rhetoric. In no court is puffery illegal, and, at best, that's all that's going on with the "review." It's puffery (as are all the "Hands On Reviews" at MusiciansFriend). |
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| Oh, and just so you know, I'm currently on the verge of buying a Custom Elite LX and am not interested at all in buying an AX. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Highway61:
if foreign workers are being paid almost nothing, Maybe in the past, but the fact is that wages in Chinese factories have increased several-fold over the last couple of years, and while by Western standards they are very low, the increases are having a huge impact on how business is conducted. Numerous major players are now looking to India and other 3rd world countries to exploit. One of the factors in China's rise to power was that labour costs in Korea made Western manufacturers look elsewhere. The instruments in question are made in Korea, and the workforce there does not earn "almost nothing" |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Highway61:
Oh, and just so you know, I'm currently on the verge of buying a Custom Elite LX and am not interested at all in buying an AX. …lotta that goin' around… |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | This is not to say that these imports are not "OK" guitars...
Y'see? Therein lies the Problem. Ovation was a respected manufacturer of Guitars in the USA.
Fender is turning it into another so-so import brand.
Once I decided to buy an Ovation in 2006 it was because I remembered hearing and playing with an Original Shiny Bowl Balladeer back in the 70's... So I got the bug.
If Ovation is just gonna be another so-so import brand...
People who want an iconic AMERICAN guitar should be looking at Martin, Taylor, Larivee...
I would mention Guild, but Fender owns them. (My very first guitar was a Guild)
Breedlove is from Bend, Oregon.
XXX Fender, Buy USED, Buy American! |
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Location: Texas | I wouldn't dismiss Guild so quickly OMA… It's true, Guild is also now owned by FMC, but they ARE producing some spectacular guitars, which ARE made in the US… |
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| Originally posted by standing:
I wouldn't dismiss Guild so quickly OMA… It's true, Guild is also now owned by FMC, but they ARE producing some spectacular guitars, which ARE made in the US… But they're NEW, and so not at bottom-feeder pricing... |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
This is not to say that these imports are not "OK" guitars...
Y'see? Therein lies the Problem. Ovation was a respected manufacturer of Guitars in the USA.
Fender is turning it into another so-so import brand.
Once I decided to buy an Ovation in 2006 it was because I remembered hearing and playing with an Original Shiny Bowl Balladeer back in the 70's... So I got the bug.
If Ovation is just gonna be another so-so import brand...
People who want an iconic AMERICAN guitar should be looking at Martin, Taylor, Larivee...
I would mention Guild, but Fender owns them. (My very first guitar was a Guild)
Breedlove is from Bend, Oregon.
XXXX Fender, Buy USED, Buy American! OMA do this again and you get a vacation |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | :eek: Excuse Me... I slipped. My Apologies.
(BTW-- Al, your PM box is full) |
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Location: Michigan | oh boy , can you believe it , june is here again and it looks like it might be early summer vacation season around here already. :D GWB |
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Location: Utah | Originally posted by standing:
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A. Worth the price? Probably.
B. Will it sell well? Probably./QB] My college aged daughters tell me they are seeing more and more Ovations in Youtube videos. Ovations are becoming popular with the teen/20's crowd and with the musicians catering to that crowd.
The brand is getting a new breath of life. Good for the owners, and good for the overseas employees. |
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Location: Massachusetts | As a member of another forum I read all about how the import guitars are as good,if not better, as the made in America guitars. So get ready for the posts about how the off-shore Ovations are equal to the old American ones. |
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