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Location: Phoenix AZ | I live in Maricopa country. Sherif Joe is a cult hero around here. I love the guy. Doesn't take crap from anyone. Today he stripped Shaq of his deputy badge because of some cus words that Shag used in his rap song banging on Kobe.
A few years ago the ACLU was all over Joe because he was spending $1.00 a day feeding the guard dogs and only spending $.90 a day feeding the inmates. Joes justification "the dogs deserve better than the inmates because the dogs never broke the law." You gotta love that!
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Location: SoCal | And, your question is?
Geez, every once in awhile we get a "newbie" Junior Member that can't can't remember what the toilet paper is for.
Well, maybe I should have more understanding...he probably is suffering from the heat out there. :eek: :p :p :eek: |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | I know this Sheriff Joe stuff is OT, but Dave I gotta warn ya. I'm currently doing my PhD in criminology and the short term gain of Sheriff Joe is going to lead to long term pain in terms of crime rates. Will probably take a generation or two and buckets of money to reverse the damage. That simplistic sort of stuff appeals to voters but it just creates a stonger "us v them" mentality in the offenders, which is a key risk factor for further offending. Its no coincidence that the US has the highest incarceration rates in the world (and is no safer than any other western country despite locking up so many people). |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Something about shims....
And Yes, if the action is too high, I would take out a shim or two depending on how many you've got in there.
I would also consider putting D'Addario EJ15 Extra Light strings on there. You will not have as much Boom, but they will be a bit easier to start-out, until your fingers get strong and calloused.
And Sheriff Joe is an ass. It is a red-neck response to a real problem. Poverty and Homelessness. Some may think that the criminals deserve it, but most of the people in his Tent City are just Poor! If they could afford a real Lawyer, and Bail they wouldn't be there. Oppression always seems cool, until you are the one eating green baloney in a tent when it is 116 degrees outside. A rich person gets a hundred dollar fine and they pay it. A poor person gets the same fine, and ends-up doing 30 days in the desert. |
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Location: SoCal | Richard,
I can always refer you to some good studies by NCJRS or NIJ that reinforce taking responsibility for actions...
It is actually amazing how much criminal activity (non-substance) is not prosecuted or sentence is mitigated (whether juvenile or adult).
Go Joe... |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Hi Tony,
I've read heaps of stuff from all sorts of sources over the last 12 years. A quick and ready summary is:
1) Detection appears to have a significant (good) effect on recidivism;
2) Various forms of punishment tend to have a slightly negative effect (e.g. incarceration, boot camp, tough probation) - although fines seem to reduce recidivism, but possibly because fines tend to be more likely given to prosocial people whereas tougher sanctions are delivered to the more criminal types;
3) Treatments (enforced) can reduce recidivism rates by up to 30% if they target higher risk offenders, address the factors related to recidivism and are delivered in particular ways. Properly designed treatment regimes can save more money than they cost.
4) Ignoring crime does not do anything useful.
The reason punishment doesn't work in the criminal justice system is because punishment is most effective when it is inevitable (most crime is not detected); immediate (even Sheriff Joe delivers punishment way too late - the ideal time is 1/2 second after the behaviour); understood to be related to the behaviour (most real criminals believe the crime is not their fault, hence they blame their punishers rather than themselves); alternative actions are seen to be available (again criminals often believe they have no viable alternative to crime); and severe.
Joe gets 1/5 and its not good enough for the punishment to deter the behaviour. In fact it tends to breed more resentment making points 3 & 4 even less likely. When punished, particularly if it is perceived as unfair, people are motivated to seek revenge.
If Joe's approach worked, the US and Maricopa county would have lower crime rates than other similar Western countries. They don't. |
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Location: SoCal | Sorry Richard, for the last eighteen years, I have been working with juveniles and adults assigned by the courts and probation. Face to face.
In the Marine Corps, I conducted Summary Court Martials, to include sitting on Special and General Court Martials.
Yes, we do not have enough enforcement...we can not place in effect all of the tools...must protect their civil rights.
However, we are not talking about NEEDS, we are talking about WANTS. Not impulse, most are premeditated crimes by predators on society. Their perceived wants are more important than those of the victim. These are not crimes for bread. We have transfer payments that are available.
They evaluate the odds (again, need for enforcement and consequences). Felony/Auto Theft...juveniles (17-18) would tell you that they were doing it UNTIL THEY GOT CAUGHT and until they were 18 (they were well aware of the difference in sanctions)...as a lark, to run drugs for their mother's boyfriend, etc. At the worst, unless adjudicated as an adult, they could only be incarcerated until age 25. Burglary, arson, armed robbery, carjacking, etc...same. In fact, for some, they only concern they have is the consequence. They have no remorse or concern for the victim or society in general.
There is an article tonight from Scottsdale, AZ of a gal clocked by cameras speeding 22 times in less than 2 months...finally given jail time for criminal speeding, reckless driving, and endangerment. Same article, gal from Chandler, AZ who threw away more than 70 speeding notifications - she said she didn't think anything would happen to her if she threw away the tickets. We have DUI programs, yet we eventually have to look at other measures, to include jail. Why has there been a reduction in DUI's? Some social stigma. Yet, most of the reduction is due to progressive sentencing, to include high fines/fees and jail time.
NIJ statistics state that the average juvenile perpetrator has committed a crime 4.3 times prior to the 1st arrest. What about the individual who continues as an adult?
Two basics...most people change for intrinsic (self) or extrinsic (external). If they won't or can't make the change themselves, for those who have the capacity to change, there needs to be sufficient external factors to effect change (incarceration and loss of freedom, fines, etc.)
This is true for theft, assault, etc., as well as motorists on our roads. For the motorist, fines, fees, higher insurance, and (eventually) suspension or recinsion of their license. If necessary, then incarceration (driving while suspended, manslaughter, etc.)
We have a juvenile justice system that has a lot of programs in place to help the young perpetrator change, that allows the criminal record to be sealed at 18. As an adult, there needs to be progressive consequences (especially for a repeat offender). No change...get them off of the streets. In California (as in most of the states), when they are allowed to reenter society, there are active reentry programs to help them get jobs. Even then, there is a high recidivism rate.
I mentioned "capacity to change"...yes, there are issues such as mental incapacity and substance. And, this does require a different approach. However, at some time, their actions may require removal from society.
I hear a lot about protecting the rights of the perpetrator...how about protecting the rights of law abiding citizens who are the victims? Personally, I believe protection of society and innocents is more important than the rights of an individual who intentionally breaks the law.
Sheriff Joe has a lower recidivism as his wards do not want to come back...sure, maybe they just move on. Or, maybe they are a little more aware of the consequences. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Tony,
I'll send you an email to avoid taking this list OT any longer.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I reckon the best guitar to use in an Arizona tent prison would be an Ovation.
Actually, make that a Celibacy.
No, what am I saying? - an Applesauce. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Hey, somebody posted about maricopa county and Sherif Joe, so I just commented for those that might now know that I in fact live there and I am a huge supporter of Sherif Joe. Just my opinion and certainly not worthy of unleashing the international dogs of war over. |
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| y'know, it's posts like these and all of the others that make this place what it is...
yeah some are rants, some OT, some just plain stupid.
but we do kinda get to know each other a bit, and we keep coming back, and there is a lot of camaraderie and knowledge and genuine concern here...
plus a lot of great information about Ovation and Adamas guitars.... and important other facets of many of our lives.
maybe sometimes we should just shut up and talk about guitars, but just talking about guitars is not what makes this forum in my opinion, the best fanclub or discussion group on the www
Thanks Miles, and Al, and all of the rest of you for making it what it is.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Hey, somebody posted about maricopa county and Sherif Joe, so I just commented for those that might now know that I in fact live there and I am a huge supporter of Sherif Joe. Just my opinion and certainly not worthy of unleashing the international dogs of war over. So Sorry!
But when one person's rights are violated, we all lose a bit of freedom.
[I wish some of our "leaders" would realize this!]
As Americans, we are supposed to be raising the bar, not succumbing to revenge and glorying in beating people when they are down. We are supposed to represent the highest ideals of Freedom and Compassion. It is a slippery slope when you enjoy vengance.
"That will teach all them drunk leeches not to come to Phoenix!" (or where-ever)
"As you do unto the least of these, you've done unto Me"
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I absolutley respect your opinion and your right to voice it. Dave |
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Location: SoCal | Arthur,
Just remember that this civil servant runs a short-term holding tank (jail) for individuals that average less than 10 days incarceration.
And, their actions against the victim and society resulted in their incarceration. They are responsible for their own actions...can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My oldest grew up liking the Beach Boys and the songs I played on my Ovation. Then she dated guys who liked Korn and Slipknot. The most recent were both drummers. She and the current drummer recently moved to California and he didn't take long to get arrested. I'm wishing they had chosen Maricopa county.
I'm not very understanding when it comes to these bands whose main goal is to sell music to kids so that it pisses off their parents. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
can't do the time, don't do the crime. And dat's da name of dat tune.
As a former Maricopa County resident, I formally endorse the sheriff and his efforts. I'm sure the sheriff will rest easier at night now that he knows he has my full backing.
If you don't agree with me, that's OK. The world would be a pretty boring place if we all had the same thoughts and beliefs.
I also want to set the record straight as I was the one who started the whole Maricopa thing. I said it as a joke thinking this poster was in fact our own beloved Gallerinski (FKA Tupperware). I now know that it is not.
Apologies to you for the assumption Dave.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | No apology necessary. Heck, there were a few CR posts that even had me assuming he was me.
Back to Sherif Joe. No question that he is a polarizing figure. And it really does not matter where you stand on the topic. But a very interesting facet to his controvercy is that by a significant margin, the folks like myself who are touched by him in our own neighborhoods on a daily basis strongly support him. The critics are by-in-large from afar and judging from a distance. No disrepect Richard, and I congratulate you on your PhD, but you are judging Sherif Joe from fucking Australia. I'm judging him from living down the street from the guy. Doesn't make either one of us right or wrong, just highlights that our vantage points are significantly different. Sherif is an elected position and Joe has been re-elected umpteen times. If the people he touches on a daily basis did not approve of his actions they would not continue to re-elect him. Yes, rich law abiding white guys vote and poor minority criminals do not. But the fact remains that every single person eating green bologna in a 100 degree prison tent voluntarily chose to be there by their actions.
OK, let's talk about guitars.
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Location: closely held secret | ... rats, it was just getting interesting.
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime.
...anyone ever try putting an OP Studio in a 12 string? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | They need to let the teachers beat the kids again when they do wrong. Things from 50 years ago weren't all wrong.
Not sure that preamp will work in that guitar.....
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime. Actually, most are, but that's not my main point. My main point is that the actions that Sheriff Joe is taking (although well intentioned) have been clearly associated with higher recidivism rates than the alternatives. Higher recidivism means MORE victims.
The choice is simple, go with Sheriff Joe (and the like) and you will have more victims. Sometimes you get a clearer view from a distance.
I've never tried to even remove an amp from a guitar. Taking shims out is the most exciting thing I've tried. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Waskel, come to the PNW gathering with a 12-string. I'll bring my OP-Studio. Either it'll work, or we'll get a little fireworks show. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Why would an OP-pro not work in a 12-string ? |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard ):
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime. Actually, most are, but that's not my main point.
OP Studio, not Pro, Dave. Just curious whether the compressor/exciter would make a 12 more interesting, or just muddy. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard ):
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime. Actually, most are, but that's not my main point. My main point is that the actions that Sheriff Joe is taking (although well intentioned) have been clearly associated with higher recidivism rates than the alternatives.
I don't believe that they are correct, and I have a very difficult time believing that the Sheriff would be re-elected over and over again if he wasn't effective in the fight against crime..... |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Moody,
I'll email you before Al jumps on me/us for going too far OT.
Anyone else feel free to email me too.
Aren't ovations wonderful guitars? |
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