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Location: SoCal | I've seen him twice, once at the Acoustic Cafe at the NAMM show, and once up close and personal at a small venue he played with Preston Reed. He puts on a great show.... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Looking forward to it - should be fun. If I get to meet him, I'll have to tell him about Sam's guitar. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
But there was a time, Paul, when we were on the trail of an original slothead out here in CA. But I think we were thinking it was less money.
Yep, that was 6 years ago, and we were thinking 3 or 4 grand, about what people are spending now on the reissues and limited runs. OK, here's a can of worms I'm gonna open right now. Why spend that kind of dough on an original slothead when there are reissues that were built with the benefit of over 30 years production experience, that are arguably better constructed and absolutely more consistent. It's not as if it's Adirondak and Brazillian, it's just fibreglass and pre-preg. OK the originals have 30-odd years of Mojo and some have artist connections, but so what? in 30 years time the reissues will have their own mojo if they get played. It's like, would I spend $250K on a late 50's Les Paul or $2.5K on a new Hamer? As a player it's gonna be the Hamer. As an investor/collector it's going to be the Gibson. $50K+ on a pre-war Martin or $5K on a new Collings? No contest, Collings. But then I'm a player, and my disposable income is finite. Thing is, right now the investors and collectors don't give a flying f**k about original Adamas Slotheads, it's just another plastic guitar. They'll learn. Maybe
One more thing, and in spite of my points above, $12.5K for Adamas 57, regardless of it's artist provenace is cheap. We all know that if this said Martin on the label it would be 4 times the price at least, and the artist connection could send it significantly higher. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | I am curious, home much would that hace cost back in the day when it new?? |
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Location: closely held secret | Pez, I'm just curious, no offense intended... do you type really really fast, or is english your second language? :D |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Pez, I'm just curious, no offense intended... do you type really really fast, or is english your second language? :D Niether I can't see my own mistakes till some time has passed. Its a learning disability akin to dyslexia. I skip words and phrases and reverse
letters and numbers. To me it reads as correct.
Once a week has passed I can then see my mistakes. Basically I was born to give dictation to an adminstrative assistant. Ironically public schools
and Associates at public univeristy no one figured it out. I got into the real expensive hard to get into private college and they figured it out in two weeks. Sent me for test and saw the results and pomptly assigned me a proof reader. :D
No offence taken. |
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Location: closely held secret | Interesting. Is it always a week? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | $2200. when it was new. |
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Location: SoCal | 33 years ago, that was a lot for a guitar..... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Cliff tells me they were 2400. |
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Location: SoCal | Still a lot back then. Clifford would know. He was there when his friend bought the guitar and held onto it for 20 years.... |
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| Originally posted by Beal:
dcwill--"they really gave a right handed guitar to one of the most famous leftys...."
where do you guys get all this gave stuff?? From the original post, which said "#57 slothead adamas that originally went to Paul McCartney and wings". "Went to" is not the same as "sold to" or "purchased by". I (apparently incorrectly) inferred that meant the guitar was given to him just as Carter recounts happened with the Stones, Paul Simon, and scores of other top-rank artists back in the day. By comparison, Martin gave a total of 2 guitars to artists (Judy Collins and Tom Paxton, as a thank you for playing at the opening of their new plant) in all the 100+ years before the introduction of their signature model program.
I stand corrected on the acquisition question. And on the L/R paradox, I saw the later post with ownership attribution to the band (and Jimmy McCulloch), which certainly seems very plausible. I appreciate the information and clarifications. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | One of my favorite guitars "went" from me to Mike. It certainly didn't go there for free. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Interesting. Is it always a week? Sometimes a little more or a little less.
never less than 2 or 3 days.
Some days its worse than others. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Given you could buy New AMC Gremlin for $2995 in 1978. Low end car about $14000 now.
So it like spending $9000 to 10,000 today. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by dcwill:
By comparison, Martin gave a total of 2 guitars to artists (Judy Collins and Tom Paxton, as a thank you for playing at the opening of their new plant) in all the 100+ years before the introduction of their signature model program.
Martin, as a company, wasn't 10 years old and trying to crack into the market. By 1976, they were, oh, about 143 years old and fairly well established.... |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Didn't Ovation sell more than 1 million guitars
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by PEZ:
Didn't Ovation sell more than 1 million guitars
well before Martin did in 2003?? See? Giving the guitars away to performers, 30 years earlier paid off.... |
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
One of my favorite guitars "went" from me to Mike. It certainly didn't go there for free. Well, unlike the Glen Campbell which also "went" from you to someone else, at least you remember that one. The medication must be helping. :p |
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| Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Originally posted by PEZ:
Didn't Ovation sell more than 1 million guitars
well before Martin did in 2003?? See? Giving the guitars away to performers, 30 years earlier paid off.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by dcwill:
Well, unlike the Glen Campbell which also "went" from you to someone else, at least you remember that one. The medication must be helping. It was a Martin, those are special guitars not disposable like Ovations. You tend to remember where those "went".
We should all apologize to Sam for hijacking his thread, now somebody step up and buy this thing before #42 convinces me he needs a wide neck brother. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | One of my favorite guitars "went" from me to Mike. It certainly didn't go there for free. It is a well loved addition that gets played regularly and is the guitar that I played on "The Guitar" recording...
I know how much Dave liked this guitar and for him to entrust it to me trancends money...but of course that is part of the deal...
Great guitars are more than just a monetary exchange... |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by dcwill:
Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Originally posted by PEZ:
Didn't Ovation sell more than 1 million guitars
well before Martin did in 2003?? See? Giving the guitars away to performers, 30 years earlier paid off....
1979 Namm show they had 0 orders after day 1.
That Martin Guitar Book by Carter.
If you look at Ovation sales climbing
and see Martin sales falling its obvious were thier buyers went.
1981 Ovation had a 60% market share according to
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yes, Ovation hit 1m before Martin. Having made 700,000 +/- applesaues and Matrix from 78-82 helped pump up the numbers.
Simon and the stones were given guitars, usually the first one or two, and they bought at discount after that, BUT they agreed to sign an endorsement and that we could use their name in advertising. Paul didn't go for that.
The custom Legends he played, Linda wrote the checques for those, they were a suprise gift fot her hubby. |
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FS/ORIGINAL SLOTHEAD ADAMAS # 57 (Wideneck)
The Ovation Fan Club -> For Sale
