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cliff
Posted 2005-08-31 1:05 PM (#272500 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Here y'go, Wood:

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Mark in Boise
Posted 2005-08-31 1:05 PM (#272501 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Be careful not to scratch the bridge or the top with your tubing and keep it in a sterile container. I've found that catheter tubes work well, but not after they've been used for their intended purpose. They come in various sizes, depending on the size of your penis, so if you go in and tell them you need one for a .012, be prepared to respond to the laughter with a citation to this thread. Then be prepared to respond to more laughter.
I think I'll solve this problem by never changing my strings.
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GN-Nick
Posted 2005-08-31 2:52 PM (#272502 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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sure break angle can affect "crispness" so can an ill fitting saddle.

My Breedlove has no such issues and I've been playing them for years.

Mark, once you insert the catheter into your penis, what are you supposed to do with the strings?

This has got to be the ovation answer to the "will fossilized pteradactyl ivory bridge pins make my guitar sound better" thread.
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cliff
Posted 2005-08-31 2:55 PM (#272503 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Yes.
(but plesiosaur works better . . .)
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-08-31 4:39 PM (#272504 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Mark, once you insert the catheter into your penis, what are you supposed to do with the strings?
Nick you just wrap the Low E around the testicles and cinch 'em up tight. That way you can hit the high notes. That's why I don't sing much, too painfull. :eek:
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Hal Jordan
Posted 2005-08-31 5:05 PM (#272505 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Originally posted by Standingovation:
Originally posted by Hal Jordan:
thanks...but i want answers, damnit!!
The answer is that the ovation pinless bridge clogs the windings of your strings with wood debris that kills the sound. This is a well know issue any why a lot of people prefer Martin type pinned bridges.

To avoid this problem, what most of us due is to use a small piece of plastic protective tubing while re-strining. Get the hard kind. OD 2mm, ID 1mm. Cut about a 2 inch piece of the tubing. When stringing, slip the tube into the bridge hole from the saddle side. Push it in all the way until it stops. Then feed the string through the normal end. Once the string is completely pulled through against the stop, slide the tube off the string. Bingo, you have threaded through the bridge and not gotten it all gunked up with wood dust. You should notice an improved sound from the wound strings. Note - you don't have to go through this procedure for the plain strings.

Dave
you da man dave. i ran out and grabbed a can of WD40, as i couldn't find the stuff you were talking about. i used the new tube as you suggest, it works well, except i can see why you say use harder stuff, strings still sound a little dull, like there's plastic residue on them. but it's much improved. i had to slit one to fit a low E 56 through, and it's still not perfect, but again- tons better.
where can i get the stuff you use????????????
again, you are the MAN dave!
best,
GL
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schroeder
Posted 2005-08-31 6:01 PM (#272506 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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It's not April 1st guys. Very clever, very cruel.

I like it.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-08-31 6:02 PM (#272507 - in reply to #272475)
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Glad to know it's working for ya. I'm going to use an old ball point cartridge. Maybe, I can find one of the old metal kind and bend it just so, until we can the pyrex kind.


....from Cliff's connection.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-08-31 6:05 PM (#272508 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Heya Schroeder,

Good to hear you're invinsible today!!
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Hal Jordan
Posted 2005-08-31 6:35 PM (#272509 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Originally posted by schroeder:
It's not April 1st guys. Very clever, very cruel.

I like it.
???
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2005-08-31 6:41 PM (#272510 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Nick,
I hope you are OK. The other guys were a little too subtle, so I decided to go over the top. At least I thought they were kidding. If everyone else was serious, this board is even more full of wackos than I thought.
My wife's great uncle used to love to talk about his catheters and gross everyone out. I decided that it would be a fun thing to do when I got old. He's the same one who had me try a pinch of tobacco just before dinner. I promptly swallowed some of the tobacco, which kept me from swallowing any of the dinner. All the prospective inlaws had a great laugh while I puked in the bathroom. I got back at them by marrying into that family.
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schroeder
Posted 2005-08-31 6:41 PM (#272511 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Just my way of saying I don't believe a word of it.......
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GN-Nick
Posted 2005-08-31 7:17 PM (#272512 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Now you tell me. Anyone want to buy a slightly used catheter?
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MWoody
Posted 2005-08-31 7:50 PM (#272513 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?



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My original entry was in reference to a string of posts that discussed how new guitars actually start to sound better within a month of playing. This observation was questioned and eventually covered setting your O in front of a speaker to "condition" it and align the molecules in the soundboard.

I conclude there is a "break in" period where Player and Instrument learn how to express themselves.
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Bluebird
Posted 2005-08-31 7:54 PM (#272514 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?



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I think it works best if the PLAYER sits in front of a good speaker for a while to condition himself instead of the guitar.

Wayne
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Designzilla
Posted 2005-08-31 8:01 PM (#272515 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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I think there was a thread a while back about a machine that conditions guitars by subjecting them to vibrations. Supposed to be the equivalent of years of playing.
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cliff
Posted 2005-09-01 7:59 AM (#272516 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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". . wrap the Low E around the testicles and cinch 'em up tight. That way you can hit the high notes . ."


- He's hit upon my secret for "Taxi" . . .
damn!

(although he DID leave out that you gotta hook up the end of the string to an old kick-drum foot pedal - leaves your hands free for guitar accompanyment . . .)
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Waskel
Posted 2005-09-01 9:42 AM (#272517 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?



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That's why you winced every time you tapped your foot that night...
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Hal Jordan
Posted 2005-09-02 5:45 PM (#272518 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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dave...can you tell me what you use/where to get the tubing?
thanks
GL
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-09-02 6:17 PM (#272519 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Bye the way, the Lowden has a pinless bridge and Thor himself would be envious of the thunderous bass.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-09-02 6:29 PM (#272520 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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But when he smacks it with his hammer, will it survive as an Ovation bowl would?
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Hal Jordan
Posted 2005-09-03 7:35 AM (#272521 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Bye the way, the Lowden has a pinless bridge and Thor himself would be envious of the thunderous bass.
guitars with dead strings usually do sound bassier...
that's what you get with a pinless.

DAVE WHEREE ARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-09-03 8:12 AM (#272522 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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Deep and dead are very different things. The bass rings like a bell, just a deep dark bell, nothing dead about it...

Btw, have you tried StewMac for those string tubes?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-10 7:39 AM (#272523 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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This is an excerpt from and email on pinless bridges I received from George Lowden....

Pin bridges which dry out during winter may 'stretch' the glue joint but only if humidity becomes very low ( with some warmth as well) and possibly combined with a more flat sawn bridge ( as opposed to 1/4 sawn) would a pin bridge actually completely dislodge itself.

However, if the above conditions are applied to a pin-less bridge where all the 'pull' of the strings is directly on the bridge itself the bridge will be more likely to come off rather than just 'stretch' the joint. It is rather rare for this to happen, and in a perverse way it is easier to repair a bridge which comes off than one which has merely stretched its joint with the top. The advantages of a pin-less bridge (enabling a more tone sensitive bracing system) are such that I aim to continue with this design in the future.
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matrix
Posted 2006-03-10 8:23 AM (#272524 - in reply to #272475)
Subject: Re: does the pinless bridge suck the snap from strings?


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I've been playing Ovations for 28 years, and I too have never heard of such a thing.
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