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stephent28
Posted 2006-01-23 8:11 PM (#268273 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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Does the orginal poster (Mr. mraygrass) own an Ovation?

If not, why was he hanging around the OFC?
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Standingovation
Posted 2006-01-23 8:16 PM (#268274 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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WOW. We're famous! I'm laughing like hell at the Martin board. First of all the guy who started the thread didn't just "happen" to stumble on the OFC and the photo of Cliff. He's a lurker around here and ashamed to admit to his woody friends that he secretly admires Ovations. Mark my words. Secondly, it's pretty amazing in the thread to see how many Marty's actually came out and said they owned or liked Ovations. Way to go guys.

Just to show that we don't play favorites (we'll piss on anything), maybe my Martin brothers will like this one better ...

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cruster
Posted 2006-01-23 8:17 PM (#268275 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Does the orginal poster (Mr. mraygrass) own an Ovation?

If not, why was he hanging around the OFC?
Deep bowl envy?

(edited for contextual difficulties)
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MWoody
Posted 2006-01-23 8:30 PM (#268276 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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Hoomility.

Hewmilitee.

Hum...

Aww, piss on it!
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ignimbyte
Posted 2006-01-23 8:42 PM (#268277 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Besides Ovations, I love Martins too. I don't see anything offensive about the pissing photo. I think it's quite funny! :D
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tdeej
Posted 2006-01-23 9:16 PM (#268278 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Nuts, now I have to go buy an air freshner to put in my Martin guitar case to keep down the smell as it ages like fine cheese. :D :D
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Standingovation
Posted 2006-01-23 9:23 PM (#268279 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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And here is the totally ironic thing about this. Yesterday I post the photo of Cliff pissing on the Martin and today Mr. FedEx delivers to me a brand new MARTIN that I've been waiting for. So obviously I do NOT dislike Martins in any way. I just think the photo is damn funny and the reaction of the Marty's is about what one would expect. I'm sure the same would hold true if one of them posted a photo pissing into a roundback.

Dave
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cliff
Posted 2006-01-24 8:41 AM (#268280 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Mark;
The shirt depicts an underwater scene of nubile, minimally-clothed mermaids riding upon GreatWhiteSharks . . . .
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-01-24 9:49 AM (#268281 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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I thought I picked out the naked women while the rest of the guys were looking at the big Martin.
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Standingovation
Posted 2006-01-24 10:05 AM (#268282 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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Please don't go telling Cliff he has a big Martin, it'll just go to his head ...

Dave
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cruster
Posted 2006-01-24 7:41 PM (#268283 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Maybe I should post a picture of my Johnson dreadnaught. ;)
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John B
Posted 2006-01-25 7:09 PM (#268284 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Well it looks like the folks over on the Martin board are all worked up again.

http://p082.ezboard.com/ftheunofficialmartinguitarforumfrm13.showMe...

I tried to be civil, but I give up.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2006-01-25 7:16 PM (#268285 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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That's pretty damn funny. I see the OFC is not the only forum where Photoshop dictates reality.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2006-01-25 7:23 PM (#268286 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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John, you did fine but I don't see militant anti-Martin here...

Fair play...this is how someone on the Martin board used his or her Photoshop


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Standingovation
Posted 2006-01-25 7:24 PM (#268287 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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GREAT! Their Photoshop skills suck compared to ours, but what the heck it's still a funny picture. Dave
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-01-25 7:27 PM (#268288 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM



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The scale and perspective are way off. Rookies.
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Standingovation
Posted 2006-01-25 7:38 PM (#268289 - in reply to #268248)
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Maybe the Marty's actually spend their time PLAYING their guitars ??? Dave
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-01-25 7:39 PM (#268290 - in reply to #268248)
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Bravo.
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John B
Posted 2006-01-25 7:41 PM (#268291 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Originally posted by Tony Calman:
John, you did fine but I don't see militant anti-Martin here...

Yeah, I've seen some pretty good Martin bashing going on, but to be fair, most of the ribbing that I've gotten has been from on OFC member who's name I don't want to mention, but it rhymes with Biff :p

I don't care, it's all good fun to me.
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cruster
Posted 2006-01-25 7:55 PM (#268292 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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To be honest, I'm equal opportunity in my bashing: Fibson, Gender, Tartin and Maylor are all fair game in my book. But, that's only because they're the biggest, most recognizable brands. Lesser known, but high quality brands (G&L, Hamer, Ovation, Steinberger) appeal to my 'root for the underdog' and 'which ever way the lemmings are heading, go the opposite direction' streaks.
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ignimbyte
Posted 2006-01-25 8:54 PM (#268293 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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Fair game indeed! It would be nice to see one of them peeing on a roundback, instead of our own members CGI'd to it.

:D :D :D
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-01-25 9:11 PM (#268294 - in reply to #268248)
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This all seems like an episode of "Cheers" to me. :D :D :rolleyes:
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Phil Wong
Posted 2006-01-26 7:13 AM (#268295 - in reply to #268248)
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"NORM!!" :D :p :)
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Jeff
Posted 2006-01-26 9:15 AM (#268296 - in reply to #268248)
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"CLIFFIE!!" :D
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cliff
Posted 2006-01-26 10:08 AM (#268297 - in reply to #268248)
Subject: Re: Cliff & Martins at NAMM


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This is really funny.

Here's the story:

We're walking down an aisle at NAMM and when we get to the end, I see this guitar. I asked Witko to snap my pic in front of it. Just before the shutter snapped, I whipped around and "assumed the position". The intent was to get back to Moody's house that night and convert into a bit of an “e-Postcard” to go on the Board here. Something along the lines of: "Greetings from NAMM . . Wish You Were Here . . . Having a Piss of a Time . ." Unfortunately, time didn't allow us to make the card.

Was it meant to be a swipe of “disrespect” towards Martin? No. In actuality, I would’ve MUCH preferred that the big guitar at the end of the aisle had had a Taylor headstock on it.
It had just “happened” that the victim guitar happened to be a Martin. (However, I DO like the “Calvin” analogy . . . tho I kind of see it more as David pissing on Goliath’s shoe).
I happen to have a great deal of respect for Martins. When I was at Master Witko’s house last week, I was all OVER his Steve Howe model, and I spent a great portion of Sunday morning
playing the 90+ year-old Martin nylon string that Moody’s uncle had willed to him. Both are great guitars and I really enjoyed playing them (ThanksAgain, Gentlemen!)
I give John Bruggy the occasional good-natured Martin “ribbing” basically because of the OFC connection here. John knows (or I hope he does, anyway) that I have no anti-Martin sentiments
(though if he showed up at a gig with a Taylor, I’d disown him completely:-)

I don’t have the luxury of whiling away my time exercising musical masturbation in front of the woodstove in a climate-controlled environment basking in woody overtones and extolling the virtues of
“toasted wheat underpinnings” (I still love THAT one:-) I work a hectic job with a demanding schedule, and the vast majority of my playing is done after driving my gear-laden car to a gig directly from work on a Friday or Saturday night. I live/work in Northern New Jersey and play acoustic rock in small bars/clubs. This often means that I will drive for an hour in single-digit weather, load in, set up, and be ready to play (loudly) in a stiflingly hot, crowded, noisy room (in the Summer, the extremes swing in the other direction) in about a half an hour. I don’t have (nor do the people who hire me) the luxury of waiting around while my guitar “acclimates” and have to retune after every song because of a bi-polar guitar neck. I have neither the time (nor the patience) to deal with that. I take my guitars out of their cases, tune ‘em up, play (hard) for two hours, take a ten minute break for a quick re-tune and a piss:-) , play for two more, and then it’s back into the cold (or hot) car a half hour later for the hour drive home. Ovations have been (and I’m sure Brugg will agree) the only guitar that will stand up to that kind of abuse, perform reliably, and sound great EVERY time. Somewhere down the road (if/when I can afford it), I wouldn’t mind having an old Martin hanging around the house to play on. But for now, there’s one or two more Ovations that I’d like to get to fulfill all of my gig needs. I’m quite positive that there are MANY gigging Martin owners out there that play everywhere from local coffeehouses to major concert venues and I’m sure that their Martins perform reliably for those situations. Unfortunately, I’m obviously not good enough to play those types of venues, and have to play the part of the itinerant weekend troubadour (although I’m booked almost every weekend for the better part of this year . . . and having “FUN” at it:-) Martins fulfill their needs, Ovations fulfill mine.

It never ceases to amaze me that a lot of the Martin guys will endlessly dole out the Ovation-bashes (Tupperware, salad bowls, boat paddles, . . I’ve heard ‘em all), yet when a swipe is jokingly made in the other direction, an offense is quickly taken. You can kick a dog just SO many times before he turns around and bites you in the balls once in a while. Grow some skin and live with it. I have.


BrianT or JohnB:
Feel free to forward any of this post along to your Martin brethren.
Tell ‘em it wasn’t meant as a disparagement against their beloved icon talisman.
It’s “Rock&Roll” for crying out loud!
Get your head out of the soundhole once in a while and have a laugh!
(There's bigger things going on in the country to be "pissed-off" about)


. . . and whoever the guy was that PhotoShop’ped me and Moody into the Ovation booth . . .

. . . I’m available to give lessons . . . he needs ‘em.
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