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Location: Connecticut | I haven't seen any contour bowl Custom Legends or any other soundholes come through with an access door in the back. I'll keep my eyes open and let you all know if I do. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Just curious why you need to use gloss WHITE Krylon???? Does gloss white Krylon result in a harder surface than gloss black???? That white area inside the guitar would bug me (not easily seen, I realize, but probably slightly visible from above while playing).
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Flourescent pink is most reflective, or so I've heard. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | And didn't Dave say a few threads back that he didn't have any multihole Os? Mine all have this metal x bracket in them that would be really hard to paint around. |
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Location: SoCal | gloss WHITE Krylon
In Phoenix, with the high temps, combined with Witko's hot air - need the white to reflect the heat. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Paint the inside of the trap door? That consists of resin surface and foam under the metal clip that secures the door. Painting all of that?
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Location: Waurika OK | Just be sure not to use paint like that used on the F 117 or B2, if you do absolutely NO SOUND will ever escape from the guitar again. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
And didn't Dave say a few threads back that he didn't have any multihole Os? Mine all have this metal x bracket in them that would be really hard to paint around. Mark, you are correct that I don't have any multi hole O's (very observent on your part). But I've got plenty of multi hole ADAMAS!
The first one I did I was really anal and removed the X piece and foam before painting. The others I just shot the whole thing with paint. You can't see it inside the guitar no matter what kind of angle you look in.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I knew that you had Adamas. I pay attention to what you say, even if it is BS. I was just testing the rest of the group. If I can get to your place next month, it might be my first opportunity to play an Adamas, if you'll let me. |
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| Does the paint have to be white? |
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| Does the paint have to be white? |
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| Does the paint have to be white? |
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Location: Scotland | you're joking too, right? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I believe that not only does it have to be white. But it needs to be applied in 3 applications. Each application must be done as follows:
1st application - spray on long smooth strokes
2nd application - spray in a circular pattern
3rd application - pattern it like a celtic knot
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | .....and only play Celtic songs on it, in DADGAD tuning....
If we used the paint from the F-117A and B-2, the guitar would disappear, never to be seen again....
OK.....white is the most reflective color of energy, that is a true statement---that is why white is used to keep areas as cool as possible in the summer sun. But I think the hardness of the surface that the sound energy is reflected from is probably more important than the color.
And.....let's throw this red herring into it....what does just painting the DOOR do to the sound?....now you don't have an evenly reflective surface. The door will theoretically give better return than the rest of the bowl. There would be an alteration in the normal sound patterns.
My feeling is, there actually may be something to this...but it isn't likely to make any real difference in perceived sound. I vote we adjourn and go play our guitars......
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Location: NJ | You're such a Tool, Witko . . .
(btw; a CD is on it's way to your house . . . try not to paint it) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | One last comment in response to Roger, then I'll pull the plug on this before someone actually does spray paint theor whole friggin guitar and blame it on me!
Roger states that painting just the door is not a good idea because it leads to an uneven interior reflection pattern (white door on black bowl). Well, I THINK Roger, that you have hit on the exact point why this works. The black and white areas actually cause a kind of CHORUS effect. And that's why it sounds so rich to my ears.
I'm done. Go paint your doors and play your guitars.
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | THE sensation of sound is a thing sui generis, not comparable with any of our other sensations. No one can express the relation between a sound and a colour or a smell. Directly or indirectly, all questions connected with this subject must come for decision to the ear, as the organ of hearing; except for the fact that Carlos Santana's guitar playing stinks and purple socks hum. But we are not therefore to infer that all acoustical investigations are conducted with the unassisted ear. When once we have spray painted the cover gloss white, we discovered the physical phenomena which constitute the foundation of sound, our explorations are in great measure transferred to another field lying within the dominion of the principles of Mechanics. Important laws are in this way arrived at, to which the sensations of the ear cannot but conform.
It is a direct consequence of the white painted cover, that within wide limits, the velocity of sound is independent, or at least very nearly independent, of its intensity, and also of its pitch. Were this otherwise, a quick piece of music would be heard at a little distance hopelessly confused and discordant. But when the disturbances are very violent and abrupt, so that the alterations of density concerned are comparable with the whole density of the air,then the white painted trap door makes perfect sense, the simplicity of this law may not be departed from.
In an open space the intensity of sound falls off with great rapidity as the distance from the source increases. The same amount of motion has to do duty over surfaces ever increasing as the squares of the distance. Anything that confines the sound will tend to diminish the falling off of intensity. Thus over the flat surface of still water, a sound carries further than over broken ground; the corner between a smooth pavement and a vertical wall is still better; but the most effective of all is a string tube-like enclosure, which prevents spreading altogether. The use of string tubes to facilitate communication between the different parts of a guitar is well known. If it were not for certain effects (frictional and other) due to the sides of the string tube, sound might be thus conveyed with little loss to very great distances......
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Location: SE Michigan | I heard you should use blue paint if you play the blues. I was also wondering if you spin a Chinese man around and around does he become dis-oriented?
I always wondered why all Ovations dont come with the rear access hatch. It would make repairs and mods so much easier, also it seems like it would be cheaper for the company to just have one bowl design. |
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Location: SoCal | Brian, the oriental comments was very insensitive. I should have said it, not you!
Your thought on one bowl design fits all is interesting, but I suspect that the added cost of the door hardware would preclude them from doing it.
When you're disgruntled, and life gets better, does that mean you're now "gruntled"? |
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Location: NJ | This all reminds me of something years ago (when CD's were the fledgling music media). There was some article circulating (that supposedly started in some audiophile magazine) that if you coloured the very outer rim of your CD's with a specific color marker, it helped to increase the laser's reflection on the inside of the disk, thereby improving the sound quality . . .
What got ME interested in it was that it was a specific Pantone design marker used by GraphicDesigners (I forget the specific PMS number, but it was a bluish-teal colour).
Tried it.
Even went as far as a friend and I A/B-ing two of the SAME model HarmonKardon CD players playing two copies of the same CD (one "coloured", one not).
(Marijuana IS a wonderful thing! . . . innit??)
Didn't hear a f@ckin' BIT of difference (pun intended). |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Not to be confused with an early Anti-Pirating technique of slipping some code in the outer most ring.
Black sharpy around the edge was the anti-anti-pirating fix.
Arrrrhhhhhhh! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by cliff:
. . . .HarmonKardon CD players . . . . Back in the Day..."KarmicHardOn"
.....Yep, a liitle Humboldt County Green goes a loooong way |
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| "No one can express the relation between a sound and a colour or a smell"
Yes I can - Carlos Santana's guitar playing stinks and purple socks hum. |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | I agree....go back and re-read my theory again for the revision.... |
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