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Location: Boise, Idaho | Paul reminded me of when a lot of Catholics left the church because they switched from Latin to English (or other language). Nothing was more boring than a priest droning on in Latin. My dad, who is a lousy singer (he admits that what he lacks in talent he makes up for with volume). Led some of the first singing in English at our church. It's still tough to get people to sing. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Our band consists of between 2 and 5 singers (myself and between 1 and 4 female voices), my Legend, bass guitar, keyboard, and drums. We play at the 10:45 service which is one of 6 services our congregation of 2000 hosts.
We have a Sat. evening service which is more of a folk style service, 2 traditional services with organ and robed choir at 8 and 9:30 on Sunday morning, 2 very contemporary settings at another building that are more like a Evangelical Christian service, and our service that is a more traditional style worship with contemporary music.
We average 2 new songs/week and now have a repertoire of around 230 tunes. |
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Location: Denver, PA USA | Nice to see so many worship leaders/ worship musicians. I guess if I can make a OFC Tour someday I would have some people to jam with. I only know worship songs.Well except Labamba and Hotel California. LOL! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by williamfriggle:
I only know worship songs.Well except Labamba and Hotel California. LOL! I think Hotel California is a worship song (sort of). Read the lyrics. I think it's tellng the story that if you don't go to church you'll end up in the Hotel California (aka Hell). At least that't the way I picture it. The day I arrive in purgatory the sliding doors will open and inside will be a rockettes-style lineup of dudes playing the lead run to Hotel California on red stratocasters all swaying in unison to the beat. And there I stand with nothing to bring to the party except my own sorry ass and a freaking ukulele.
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Location: San Angelo, Texas | Dave...you know those flash backs you were promised in the 60's and 70's...now ya know ;)
Remember, we ARE the people our parents warned us about! |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | "The elders of the church finally decided to go with one fairly traditional service at 8:15 (a few chourses, but only the "reverent" ones ) and two contemporary ones at 9:45 and 11:15. I couldn't believe it. Everyone gets more-or-less what they like and most everybody's happy. Trying to lead worship with a congregation that was always complaining about something having to do with the service was demoralizing at best. MUCH better now!" ...
We've gone that route - about 4 years ago - and there were still people (a small percentage) that were not happy. But for some reason the complainers are the only ones who have been heard, the leadership has apparently caved in, and they are going back to 1 service. This wouldn't be bad, if they would have first discussed the whole issue with someone (maybe me as one) who is involved with the music ministry. I find it amazing how a group of non-music ministry people can make a decision without bringing in someone who knows something about it. That's like planning a construction project and not discussing it with anyone who knows about building. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | You've gotta love organized religion!
One day at a time, one prayer at a time, how can I serve and where's my cheat sheets. |
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Location: Omaha | bvince wrote:
"That's like planning a construction project and not discussing it with anyone who knows about building."
Waaaay too many churches have done that, actually...
Paul B.,
I told you as soon as my son is 16 and has his license, he can drum for your praise team! (Actually, he does a pretty decent job with our youth praise team; I think he'd enjoy the challenge of playing with some better musicians; he gets kinda bored with the level the kids are at...).
Another comment about worship/music styles. We do two blended services...that means at least one "traditional" hymn almost every Sunday of the year, plus the trad. Easter and Christmas music Paul mentioned.
Even though we do a hymn every Sunday, some of our older people don't really hear it or identify with it, because it's done with keyboard, drums and guitar, not on the organ...if it's not the organ, it's not "traditional" to them.
Just an interesting aside that made me realize we could do FOUR hymns every Sunday, but without "the organ," the older crowd would not hear it as "their music." I am thankful that they really are very tolerant of the musical direction our church has taken, and we have "converted" quite a few of them!
BTW, I often play my L777 (black lefty Legend); while it's at the mothership being repaired, I'm using my Larrivee or various electrics. |
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Location: Australia | It seems dissapointing to me that churches have to break into two services just because people have to get their own way over something which is as ultimately meaningless such as musical style. |
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Location: Central Florida | Originally posted by richardd:
It seems dissapointing to me that churches have to break into two services just because people have to get their own way over something which is as ultimately meaningless such as musical style. The problem is, way too many church goers today operate under the selfish and false premise that the worship experience is about having their needs met. I help lead worship in my church, and we are constantly reminding ourselves and the congregation that the worship experience is about us bringing our sacrifice of praise to the Living God of All Eternity.
We teach that it's only when we offer God our praise and thanksgiving with a humble and contrite heart, and present ourselves as a living sacrifice, that true worship occurs. I know that sounds basic and old school, but generally speaking, I'm afraid far too many churches today rely on style and entertainment factors to grow their congregations.
Unfortunately, many pastors and church leaders have for years unwittingly fed this demonic machine of "style over substance" by taking the whole concept of being "seeker-sensitive" to ridiculous levels by trying to provide "worship de jour." IMHO, it's only served to fragment the body all the more, rather than unite it. |
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Location: Eugene, Oregon | I use to play a lot of guitar in my younger days at Bible camps and for youth groups. When I decided to get back in to playing, I was amazed at how fast my fingers remembered all the songs, I use to play. :)
I actually started playing guitar because of my faith. I had attended a service out in the sticks of Applegate, OR and there were so many cool instruments....I got hooked. :D
Now, the barn/garage hippie church is a huge organized operation. Gosh....the good old days! |
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Location: Los Angeles, CA | I actually play / lead out in 2 different churches. One church is generally conservative in nature so I play. . .piano, though sometimes my Elite T makes an appearance when I'm leading out.
The other church has 2 different services. One is a blended service where I'm again stuck behind the piano with a "Garth Brooks" mic. The other is a contemporary service where I'm either holding a wireless mic and running around, or playing bass (I'm absolutely awful at it), or even more rarely, playing my Adamas II. |
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Location: GA USA | This just occurred to me, and I thought I'd kick it around to discuss the pros and cons.
What about an OFC worship CD? Has anybody heard the music from Indellible Grace? It's all not perfectly professional, but much of it is very good. An OFC worship CD could actually be a big seller in the real world, and a declaration that Ovation is THE GUITAR for worship.
Oh yeah, not to mention that it could make for some good worship, and glorify God as well.
Whatcha think?
BTW, Gospel Guitar Guy and myself have recently registered at http://www.christianmusic.org/cmp/equipforum/
We're already turning the talk toward Ovations, but we've gotta be careful not to spark a backlash. Seem to be some good folks over there. |
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Location: closely held secret | If it was original music, all the better. Otherwise you run into a lot of copyright issues, not to mention there's already too many covers out there.
I'd be in for that. |
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Location: Central Florida | I'd be up for something like that, too. I had no way of doing any home recording when the first OFC project was being put together, but that's changed now... So count me in. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I like that challenge!
Also - what are some suggestions for OFC Jam collaborations? Perhaps via email or a separate thread! |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Great idea! There are definitely enough of us here to come up with some good stuff. Captain, I think you've just nominated yourself to head up the project! |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | I do the music for an 8 AM service, and been doing it for about 8 years, as the only instrument in the service. Along with a cantor/singer, I find that providing both rhythm, melody intros, and arrangements a challenge, and fun. The main choir plays at a later service, so I kinda like my niche. I play through a Crate acoustic amp. I alternate guitars, 12 String LX, 1868T, Taylor 514ce, and mostly the LX1777, which is the most balanced of the guitars. The music is much like folk rock pop, with a lot of interesting chord arrangements. I love it! |
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Location: GA USA | I think it would be great to lay down guitar and vocals and have someone else add madolin, slide, harmony. I don't have the equipment to do it at home. I'd probably have to go to a studio and buy a couple of hours, but I'd love to hand one off to someone to add to. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | How did I ever miss this thread? Man am I ever on board with this.
I lead worship (with my wife on key's and our pastor on a Carvin Cobalt I had before my Adamas W597 which is all I use now). Since we are Calvary Chapel, we are contemporary by nature, although I add both new and old hymns to the mix as the Lord leads.
We are just now having a debate over the whole CCLI thing, and my wife is pushing hard to just create our own music and make it public domain. I am on the other side, where I don't begrudge professionals their due (and of course abiding by the laws of the land) but still wonder why all Praise and Worship isn't public domain whereas performance oriented could be compensated...but that is another topic.
We let folks know from the get go that our style is contemporary, we are a new plant starting with just 2 couples and now up to about 50 people in rented space, so we have the luxury of doing what we feel God has for us.
Anyway, I am very up for things Christian and music related. While I have a Tascam 2488, I don't think it would be suited for editing (most folks use PC based programs for that even owning a 2488). I just use it like a tape based multi-track and that's as far as I have gotten (not very tech savy lately). |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by JeffreyD:
but still wonder why all Praise and Worship isn't public domain whereas performance oriented could be compensated...but that is another topic.
Jeff, a lot of the people that write contemporary P&W depend on the income from performance (CCLI) and cd sales royalties to support thier ministries. |
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Location: GA USA | Then how about this... We can concentrate on getting some recordings together, writing collaborating, etc. and try to put out a CD in the fall. Don't think I have to head this up. I'm probably least qualified, but I will do my best to contribute. I'm off to start a thread about "who plays what" so collaborators can network. This could be fun. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Help me understand this word...collaboration? I can play bass and fake the drums a bit and frighten Vultures with my vocals (well, I guess some rock groups made a lot of money off of that sort of screaching), but not sure how you do this "long distance" unless everyone is working with the same formats. Boy I feel dumb?
I do have a couple original songs that aren't too bad (I think), but have already sort of tracked them with drums and bass on my Tascam. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | I'm looking to pick up a GNX4 in the next couple of weeks, mostly for the recording capability, as well as to get an upgraded effects pedal for my Viper. With that, I know that I can lay down tracks of guitar, keys, vocals, etc. I know that Woody and I, as well as a couple of others could get together locally to mix some stuff as well - don't know if it will be good enough quality for CD, but from what I've heard the GNX boards have some awesome recording capability, and software w/USB to send direct to computer for editing. Not as cool as a studio, but definitely cheaper. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "collaboration"
The ability to assemble several ADHD tempermental and eccentric musicians in the same room and produce a marketable product.
Usually involves one person in control of all volume switches.
Hey Fat gumbo - We need to have 5-10 songs for the Cafe Band to put down. |
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Leading Worship with Ovations...
