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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | And I'd like to come. Maybe another year.
IF we all agreed on the same guitar we'd be a pretty boring bunch. eg:I'm holding out for the T'head re-issue. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Keller, TX | We(me at least) are not trying to stir things up or give Al more work to do. I would love to get a OFC collectible, just cannot swing the price tag on this one. I don't get to complain at home, nobody listens. ;)
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by ttenn:
I don't get to complain at home, nobody listens. ...and it's different here in what way? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | We listen. We just don't really care. I think of it as something akin to your friendly neighborhood bartender. He'll listen and nod in agreement all day long but he ain't changing sh*t for you in the end.
And I mean that in the nicest way possible too... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by schroeder:
Tupperware's Custom Custom Legend slothead would do nicely, but as a Legend. Suitable engraved TRC and everybody is happy. EVERYBODY will be happy??? NO WAY. So and so hates contour bowls. This guy hates widenecks, that persons thinks sunburst is ugly, blah, blah, blah ...
What everyone seems to want is a guitar that meets all of THEIR specs. An OFC guitar will be a compromise in one way or the other. If you don't want to compromise, then just order your own custom guitar and save poor Al a shitload of touble. On the other hand, if you want an OFC guitar that shows your loyality to the club and the bond with the others who own one, then get in line for whatever Al comes up with and stop bitching about it. You can't have it both ways.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Koa is definitely not easy or cheap to find. I spoke with a luthier a few months ago who confirmed that. He didn't wish to build with koa anymore because it was so expensive that he couldn't sell an instrument for a decent margin(customers "expect" a certain price from him, and it required almost that much to obtain the wood and build it).
My personal desire for an OFC guitar would be along the lines of a gloss-top FD14, with a nice rosette like a Legend. Maybe down the road....
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
Koa is definitely not easy or cheap to find. Roger Koa sounds fine, but there's cheaper wood which sounds better, spruce or cedar for a start. Black Acacia is closely related to Koa, looks very similar, sounds at least as good and sets are around half the price. |
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| Not bitchin' - making a point. That's how you conduct an argument.
My point remains the same. I don't want an OFC guitar but for those who do - great. The point is that members of a club choose a club tie usually on the understanding that everybody in the club can afford one and that the tie will be worn. They don't normally choose one that only the very, very few can afford and will instantly be a collector's item whether you mean it to be or not.
If this guitar comes out at $3k you can print OFC on the peghead, TRC, label and case but it still won't have any real relation to the club will it? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Is the OFC store going to reopen? I can afford a hat! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Come to the Tour and I'll bring you a hat!
I agree that an OFC Guitar at $1500 would be more democratic but an OFC also needs to be "the full monty" or "Big Al" so its unlikely. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | For everyone's sake, let's be extremely careful using the phrase "the full monty" so close to the Tour. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Hey....theres an idea.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Come on Schroeder, I wasn't accusing you of bitching. Brit's don't bitch, they just whine. Actually I agree with your point almost completely. I hate to keep bringing up Martin. But let's say the average Martin guitar costs about 3x what the average Ovation does. How much to you think the Martin club guitar cost? $3200. and they have sold about 75 of them to date. You can still buy (order) them. I like your analogy of the club tie (that's a compliment coming from HWMUA). Yes everyone in the club should be able to buy the club tie. If some want a diamond tie pin to go with it, that's their choice. I would argue that an Ovation guitar isn't quite as trival as a tie, but nor should it be as illusive as a diamond.
Now, to drive Al completely nuts, maybe a better idea is to FORGET about an OFC "guitar" but rather just have an OFC "upgrade" which is for a nominal price you can get an "OFC logo" abalone inlay on the 12th fret and a special label inside the bowl - and you can order it on ANY FEAKING MODEL YOU WANT. If you want other custom features or changes, then you just order them and pay for them as usual.
I personally appologize to Al, because I think we're driving him absolutely out of his mind with this shit. What he started as a great offer and service has turned into a heavy weight around his neck. I'm as guilty as anyone. The only consolation to Al is that he has my cedit card number on file (a dreadful thought).
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Location: south east Michigan | Dave...you beat me to it. Just about an hour ago I thought about the possiblity of an "upgrade option" that would be available as a special order. Just spec out the guitar you want and add the option.
I did my best to lay low on this. I guess did not do very well.
I think it's time we all stand and pronounce the club motto.
We're just a bunch of monkees discussing the finer point of bananas!....amen |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by alpep:
I would love to meet you all and talk to you. Man, now I really wish I was going to the tour.
Oh well, hopefully Al and I will get to meet at Tony's SoCal Shindig.....Hawaiian shirts optional! |
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Location: boulder | I love bananas. Never knew it was easier to get them open from the bottom, i'm a convert now. |
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| Let's all remember this is a guy from Joisey who would like to talk to us....... |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by schroeder:
Let's all remember this is a guy from Joisey who would like to talk to us....... and remember how much he hates people that say Joisey..... |
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| How can I remember what I never knew?
Discuss in 1500 words. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | An "OFC upgrade option" would REALLY drive the factory (and Al) nuts. If there are 200 orders, there will be 200 flavors of ice cream! I'd presume they'd all have to be done in a run for the unique graphics, etc., so every one would be a unique custom order!!!! Not likely.
More likely is successive runs of different "OFC guitars", which Al alluded to, and which makes perfect sense from a production standpoint.
I agree with Paul T., my preference is for spruce or cedar for a soundboard. Redwood is good, but awfully fragile.
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Location: SoCal | why don't we all just order custom guitars and scrap the whole project?
There are many posts in archive concerning the OFC guitar for review.
If I remember correctly, the idea of an OFC guitar being a reissue of the original slothead started before the 47RI project was announced. IMHO, what started as an idea to create an OFC guitar quickly became a wish list for something that wouldn't be available - a reissue of the original slothead, not available by special order. The "Holy Grail". Expensive but not nearly as expensive as the original slothead (if you could find one).
Then, initial frustration because the 47RI was -2 red and acoustic. Most of the individuals that showed interest in the OFC guitar wanted -8 blue with a pre-amp. So, the OFC project continued.
This is a unique opportunity - get the 47RI, the OFC, or both. Guess you could look at the OFC as a one-time custom order available only at the end of the 47RI run. Not going to happen again. Sure, you may be able to have a slothead neck attached to a contour bowl but it would not be a reissue of the original.
This is the one-time offer by the factory for members of the OFC.
If we tried to get an OFC instrument, we'd be lucky to find a kazoo that everyone could buy. Some guys and gals are retired, some with small children, some just bought a couple of expensive guitars, etc. Personally, a few years ago, I couldn't have bought some of the guitars that I have. However, there may 10-12 who can take advantage of the opportunity. Value? To some, no; to others, yes.
Again, we should not think of it as the OFC guitar! It is a special guitar only available to those in the OFC.
We should create a strap or something with a reasonable cost for those on the board. As with the calendar, pool the talents of some of the members to find a supplier, create a design, and sell pre-orders. Then, no problem ($25-45). |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Tony, I agree - I think that the "OFC Guitar" thing has thrown a lot of people into confusion (it sure did me). And to all, particularly to Al, I was not intending in any way to stir up a bee's nest and rehash a million old conversations, so sorry if I got something started (or restarted). As I said, I came late to this party, and was just trying to figure out why this was put together as it is.
I think that if something is going to be done as an "OFC Exclusive," it does make much more sense for it to be a little thing that is universally available to all, like a strap, picks, etc. Heck, even making TRC's that had an OFC logo on them would be kind of cool. As you said, most of us have tight resources - I personally live on a fairly limited budget with two young kids at home, and big guitar spending is a luxury that I rarely can afford. On the other hand, I am very glad for this board and would like to be supportive of it and our mutual favorite guitar maker. If Ovation came out with a lesser expensive "OFC" model, or even a series of multiple limited editions, remakes, upgrades, or whatever, I would definitely be interested in getting one, as I think would many others here.
In the meantime, thank you all for the discussions here. Hopefully, I'll meet many of you in person at NEXT year's tour! |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by schroeder:
How can I remember what I never knew?
Discuss in 1500 words. you obviously have not read many of the posts I have made. how's that?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Alpep....man of few words but great wisdom.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | CLICK. (5 capital letters and a period) |
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