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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Interesting thread,end sins Ai doont neet noo schpell cheque,I dare to ask ( as ignorant as can be )being well aware that the good people in hartford after a hard days work are too tired to hang out in this joint,anyone know if "JUMBO " sized guitars are scheduled for production soon ? ,I asked this before ,I know ,hopefully I`ll get an answer this time :)
(JUMBO sized Elite,triple A grade top,sunburst,gold hardware,ambercolored bean style knobs,walnut fretboard,valve equipped pre-amp (a la TAKAMINE)with a case that accomodates trussrod adjuster ) :) I`ll have 1 regular & 1 cutaway.. :)
AnyOne Else who would be interested ??
and oh sure,an ADAMAS would be okay too I guess.. :)
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Location: Tucson, AZ | ...as the 'hillbilly' Lawyer advice goes: "...it's ALL legal...until your get CAUGHT; then, it's all ILLEGAL." |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Tele..Aint that the truth :p
Oma..perhaps ,just maybe ,your thoughts are not so idle ;)
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by stephent28:
Mark, I saw where Boise made the national news yesterday.
Seems some idiot from your neck of the woods robbed a local (Boise) store. Problem was it was a survelience(sic) and security camera store....and the idiot did not cover his face except with a hood.
So....guess what....only about 10 camera angles caught him in the act of robbing the store. I saw that on the news, but didn't realize it was local. He came back in several times after breaking out the front door with a rock.
We had another rocket scientist crime the other night. Please don't think I'm a racist, but this is true. 3 black kids walk into a Mormon church hall and play basketball with the Mormon kids. You might guess that the odds of seeing a black kid in a Mormon church is only a little better than the odds of seeing one at an Arian Nations or KKK meeting. Anyway, they leave early and a lady later finds her purse missing. The only ones who left early were the 3, and the lady was the wife of a Deputy US Attorney. One of the 3 kids was a church member and he identified the others. The one who they caught had an unusual name that I won't mention and wore diamond earrings. They questioned him at school the next day and he fessed up and showed where he stashed the purse. The lady didn't have one cent of cash in it. |
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Location: closely held secret | We had one here yesterday where a guy tried to hold up a convenience store wearing a pair of black halloween boxer shorts with a pumpkin on them over his head. No gun. Demanded money, the owner told him 3 times to get out. When he started around the counter, the guy ran for it, and slammed into the door 3 times before he made it out. Seems it's hard to read 'Pull' with boxers over your head. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Possible "leaking" of info regarding new models, technology, etc could possibly hurt the company's plans and control of the market. It's kind of like in the 80's when they were filming Return of the Jedi, and they had a fake movie title and script as a cover to throw off the media...I don't think Kaman wants to allow for the possibility that information could get out too early to the consumers/competition and screw up their release and promotional plans. Much better to hit something new with a bang than let it trickle through the gossip-mill a little at a time. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | It's all about who is speaking "for" the Company.
As a Shipyard Worker/Government Employee I know that they absolutely hate it when the News Crews are taking interviews of Workers as they come out the gate. That 5 seconds of misinterpreted opinion becomes the "Navy" statement for listeners. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Unfortunately, even though workers may have nothing but good intentions at heart and really believe they are speaking only the truth, they may be wildly uninformed or, worse yet, misinformed. When incorrect or misleading information provided by a well-meaning but nonetheless uninformed staff member is subsequently released by the media, it is presumed to be factual by most readers and listeners. This then leaves the proper authorities within the organization stuck in the unenviable defensive position of having to correct the bad information without revealing too much about what really might be happening due to any number of reasons. I know this from personal experience. I am the official spokesperson for my employer and I have been in the position of having to explain many things that were not what they were initially represented or reported to be. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Blah, Blah, Blah, BLAH....
When was the last time any of you trusted what an "designated representative" of any corporation/political party said?
We are living in an era of target market strategy and plausible deniabilty. The folks on the line are at least as trustworthy as the Corp. Officers and likely more so. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
The folks on the line are at least as trustworthy as the Corp. Officers and likely more so. Bingo.
Things like "Corporate Communications" departments are just ways for the suits to try to put their own spin on the story. The front line folks may not know the spin, but they do know what is really happening. Often, that's more than can be said for the suits. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by colt357:
oops ???
Colt, I missed the gist of your meaning. Care to elaborate?? |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Blah, Blah, Blah, BLAH....
When was the last time any of you trusted what an "designated representative" of any corporation/political party said?
We are living in an era of target market strategy and plausible deniabilty. The folks on the line are at least as trustworthy as the Corp. Officers and likely more so. Originally posted by colt357:
oops Jeff, you may be having visitors.
... oh, and if they say "Alcohol, tobacco and firearms"... they're not making a delivery... |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | At least as trustworthy and likely more so, yes. Well-intended, yes. Meaning no harm, very likely. As well informed, probably not. Despite the headlines, not all organizations are run by bad managers. After reading some of these posts, I'm not sure I would care to work for the "suits" referenced in your posts. I like to think my suit is of a different color. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | "Jeff, you may be having visitors."
Awh, FUDGE!
I'm still cleaning up from the last time... |
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| Blah blah blah, I agree...that's greek for 'everyone learn to read between the lines'..
And I think it would actually be an interesting concept to design an Ovation jumbo series. Jumbo not meaning a deeper 'deep' bowl, but a jumbo shaped series similar to the other premium guitar models...(but I'm not holding my breath..) |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
At least as trustworthy and likely more so, yes. Well-intended, yes. Meaning no harm, very likely. As well informed, probably not. Despite the headlines, not all organizations are run by bad managers. After reading some of these posts, I'm not sure I would care to work for the "suits" referenced in your posts. I like to think my suit is of a different color. Prof,
I'm a "Corporation" too. The PROBLEM with LARGE corporations is that it is very difficult to hold individual persons accountable for the actions of the corporation, which by law is "seen" as an individual. It's too easy to play-off the "self-interest" of a corporation against the larger public good, because it is difficult to hold individuals within a corp accountable. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Under the guise of profit and market share, we all have read about corporate managers who do things, some illegal, primarily for personal greed and power. While keeping tabs on managers is the responsibility of Boards of Directors and an informed group of shareholders, it starts with the personal values of the managers themselves. While I do know something about leadership, I don't profess to know anything about corporate culture. I have been with the government a really long time, and we, too, have our share of misguided managers. However, they have a tougher time avoiding accountability in the name of profit and market share.
My point is a simple one. Not all managers are bad. Let's hear it for the good leaders! |
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Location: PDX | I think (most of) the information on this site would be of great value to Ovation. Whether they have folks from the company posting or not. It just seems to me that it would be in their interest to find out what avid and knowledgable Ovation fans are saying about the guitars; past, present, and future.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | gh1: I concur that it would of interest to Ovation. Maybe they are monitoring the discussions and we just don't know about it. However, keep in mind that this group is already on their bandwagon. Might it not be just as valuable, or maybe more valuable, to monitor the boards of the other guitar maker fan clubs and see what supporters/customers of the competition are thinking?
This is one reason why Harley Davidson came out with the V-Rod. The model isn't intended for the hard core Harley aficionado who already have the logo tattooed on their chest, or play like they do. Rather, Harley is trying to produce a model that will appeal to a younger customer that heretofore prefers to look to Japan's Big 4 for speed and handling. With an aging customer base, their future depends on it. |
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Location: PDX | Professor:
very interesting point. A valid viewpoint i did not consider. I'm not sure what Ovation's marketing strategy is, nor their overall corporate objective. They are a publically traded company so growth is almost a given objective. And if they are to grow they do need to reach a broader consumer base.
I guess the way i see it is that the information found here can provide insight as to what works and what doesn't. I would think that could significantly focus development efforts for new products, and "re-issues". Maybe not.
One thing this board can't provide is a way to get the message out. As you say, we've already drank the cool-aide.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | There is NO DOUBT whatsoever, that traditional, quality tonewood guitars are going to be ever-more-expensive and less available to the average guitar player.
New uses of wood and composite designs are going to be the popular choice for guitars in next decade...
Ovation SHOULD be so-way-ahead of this inevitable trend.. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Originally posted by colt357:
oops ???
Colt, I missed the gist of your meaning. Care to elaborate?? |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
We had one here yesterday where a guy tried to hold up a convenience store wearing a pair of black halloween boxer shorts with a pumpkin on them over his head. No gun. Demanded money, the owner told him 3 times to get out. When he started around the counter, the guy ran for it, and slammed into the door 3 times before he made it out. Seems it's hard to read 'Pull' with boxers over your head. That's what happens when you have your head occupying space where your a$$ should be. |
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Location: NJ | I can tell you that the factory does watch this page. they pick up on trends and ideas and even some blunders.
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