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BT717
Posted 2008-09-30 6:17 AM (#18513 - in reply to #18488)
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Who are we comparing "Ourselves" to Talent wise?
If you're talking the average Guy or Gal sitting home with 3 kids and a 9-5 job, then there are quite a few on this board who have allready posted their answer that IMHO, are "F.O.S"! I say this only in jest and w/ respect. I have heard some of you on Youtube or songs you've posted on the Ning site. I would personally PAY to see and hear you play. Way to modest!! There is some incredible Tallent on the board!!
Now, in regards to me, YES, My gear exceeds my talent! :rolleyes:
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-30 6:45 AM (#18514 - in reply to #18488)
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This is an interesting thread.
It's good use of the "poll" feature when it drives a discussion like this.
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kotadawg
Posted 2008-09-30 7:58 AM (#18515 - in reply to #18488)
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Definitely better at collecting. I'd have to buy guitars for other people to make the talent equal.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-09-30 8:58 AM (#18516 - in reply to #18488)
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The fact that nobody has selected the option that their talent exceeds [the capability of] their gear speaks volumes about our perception of the quality of our guitars. Its a pretty strong endorsement of the brand.
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an4340
Posted 2008-09-30 9:22 AM (#18517 - in reply to #18488)
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This is a pretty talented group, so I hope people don't sell themselves short.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-09-30 9:27 AM (#18518 - in reply to #18488)
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If your talents don't match your collection (as in my case!) then lend the guitar to someone with the talent... that means YOU Jas!



Our own Captain Lovehandles making good use of my Tornado.
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FlySig
Posted 2008-09-30 10:26 AM (#18519 - in reply to #18488)
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I voted "even", but that just means that I think I don't embarass myself. Some guys make even an Esteban sound great, whereas some guys sound like crapola on anything they touch.

To be honest, I don't collect guitars. All my guitars are players with a purpose, though fun is one of the purposes. It wouldn't seem right to have lots of guitars sitting around that don't get played.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-09-30 10:34 AM (#18520 - in reply to #18488)
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For awhile I was trying to catch up to my guitars and the skills improved dramatically. I got to the point where I could call myself a musician who enjoyed a variety of guitars. Now I have to agree that I'm a collector, which I'm having trouble coming to grips with. I've even thought of selling some of them, but I'd rather practice more so that I can justify them, at least in my own mind.
The two electrics and one amp just seem to sit there waiting for someone to play with, though.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-30 10:51 AM (#18521 - in reply to #18488)
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If I add one guitar... just one more... I'll feel I have crossed over that line and become a collector. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I've just witnessed examples were once that collectors mindset takes hold, 4 guitars can become 14 pretty darn quick.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-09-30 11:13 AM (#18522 - in reply to #18488)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
I've just witnessed examples were once that collectors mindset takes hold, 4 guitars can become 14 pretty darn quick.
Or 50.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-30 11:18 AM (#18523 - in reply to #18488)
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well... there ya go.
See what I mean???
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John B
Posted 2008-09-30 11:31 AM (#18524 - in reply to #18488)
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I certainly wouldn't put myself in the "talented guitarist" category, but I do use everything that I own, and for some reason, people pay me to do so. I guess I must be "good enough", even though I never really think so. I've never been a big "collector" of things that I don't have a practical need for. It's not that I wouldn't like to collect things, it's just I don't have the money, or anywhere to put more "stuff".
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-09-30 12:08 PM (#18525 - in reply to #18488)
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I do both! I collect (mostly 12 strings as I've been playing them for 42 years) and have certainly sold more than I've kept. I also still play as part of my position as a minister every week (2 times or more per).
In the past year, I have sold quite a few guitars that were duplicates or ones I was not playing...I have kept the ones I play out with and for the most part want to keep; I have only several that I do not play regularly. In the past I was not able to do this. If I wanted a new guitar, I would have to sell or trade the current one. Now, I don't have to do that. However, to get what I want it may take some trading or sales to get there. My collection is a part of the legacy for my children...and maybe provide them with a great instrument should they decide to play...I am still learning and trying new things and am now recording so my guitars are part of the pallet I create with. My Adamas I's are my main gigging guitars; the '48 D-28 gets played out the most (usually Sunday's); I take others (47RI, Pacemaker's, '68 Balladeer 12, etc.) to special concerts or events, and the electrics occasionally: depending on need...

I started playing in 1965, bought my first Ovation soon after I started gigging professionally in 1973 and have played them ever since...no other guitar has served me so well or been so dependable...I can have whatever I want and I choose to keep playing Ovation/Adamas...Always will!

I'll have to vote even...
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Damon67
Posted 2008-09-30 1:47 PM (#18526 - in reply to #18488)
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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Dob, trying to describe sound is like (as John Knowles once said about trancribing Jerry Reed tunes) like trying to eat soup with a fork, but I'll take a crack at it.

Every VT braced guitar that I've ever played as a plastic sound about it. They have decent mid range and really good treble, but the E, A, and D strings have no deep resonance to them at all. Very plasticky in sound.

A braced Legends (and I can really tell the difference between my 78 Legend and a 30th CL that's here on loan), have a deeper, more mellow bass.

Are you certain that yours has the VT bracing? You can see the signs of A bracing around the sound hole. There are braces that run down both sides of the sound hole and one that goes straight across underneath it (towards the bridge).

If your is a VT braced guitar then I might have to re-think my entire belief system regarding VT braced guitars. I'd love to try my 3 chords on it...
I need to introduce you to my old 69-70 1117 Deluxe Balladeer/Legend with the VT-? (not seen before) bracing. It's the loudest Ovation I own. It keeps up with the 12 string even.

I do think the tone on my A braced 1617 is a bit nicer to my ear though.
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Beal
Posted 2008-09-30 3:21 PM (#18527 - in reply to #18488)
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Only 50 guitars?

rookies................
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Beggin
Posted 2008-09-30 6:30 PM (#18528 - in reply to #18488)
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I don't have 50 gits Beal...but I am, and always will be, a rookie.

The A's and O that I have, will always be far better than I will ever be, or hope to be. Doesn't matter, I have found the "Sounds" that I like.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-09-30 7:19 PM (#18529 - in reply to #18488)
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Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Only 50 guitars?

rookies................
When we were younger my Mother would have told me not to hang out with people like you, Beal, because you're a bad influence.
Even though SWMBO hasn't said it, I know she thinks the same thing. It probably didn't help when I got back from Miles' and ordered the LAV Koa.
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Omaha
Posted 2008-09-30 7:40 PM (#18530 - in reply to #18488)
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I know all too well the risks of creeping collections...a few years ago I liquidated a completely out of hand gun collection that had built up over the years.

I allow myself one acoustic and one electric.
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-09-30 8:12 PM (#18531 - in reply to #18488)
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Cool. Never saw an acoustic or an electric handgun!
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-09-30 8:37 PM (#18532 - in reply to #18488)
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A few responses have appeared where folks indicate they can play beyond their gear. Matt Smith must have responded.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-09-30 8:40 PM (#18533 - in reply to #18488)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
If I add one guitar... just one more...
I've just witnessed examples were once that collectors mindset takes hold, 4 guitars can become 14 pretty darn quick.
See my sig... :p
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-30 8:42 PM (#18534 - in reply to #18488)
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Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
A few responses have appeared where folks indicate they can play beyond their gear.
Three... sounds just about right to me. But there could be as many as five from what I've seen
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Omaha
Posted 2008-09-30 9:54 PM (#18535 - in reply to #18488)
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I'm one of them. Sorry if that seems immodest, but damn I'm good! :-)
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-09-30 9:58 PM (#18536 - in reply to #18488)
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I think you need to buy more guitars.
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Strummin12
Posted 2008-09-30 10:43 PM (#18537 - in reply to #18488)
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Back in the 80's, when guitar 'wizardry' went beyond total saturation and musical sensibility, and guitarist egos were even more outrageous than their technical ability, there was a very true (at the time) 'joke'...

How many guitar players does it take to play a good guitar solo...?
Just one, but at there will be at least a dozen others standing by telling you how they would've played it better.

It's a fine line between being being too modest, being quietly confident or comfortable about your ability, and being an egomaniac. It's interesting the way that plays out with different people.

Sometimes gear is crutch for sub-par playing, while other players make the worst of gear sound amazing.

I've been through a lot (to me) of guitars (buying, using, then eventually selling to buy something else), including O's. For me, it's not about collecting, per se, because I never really have that many at one time. But I think as my ear developes, along with ability, the 'sound' I hear in my head keeps evolving and my needs change. Sometimes I feel like it's an ever elusive thing. There's just not one guitar that does it all. Sometimes, when I get disgusted and fed up with the game of chasing 'that sound' in my head, and have spent far too much in gear, I find myself admiring guys like Cliff who have stuck with the same select few guitars over the years, and make them sound great every time. It's a good plan...if it ain't broke... There's always gonna be something newer, prettier, shinier...and it will never end. Thus, GAS.
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