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Location: Upper Left USA | Anticipation, thrill of the hunt and all that. Should be really cool! |
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Location: SoCal | Listing is in violation of eBay's policy:
Reserve Price Violations
Reserve price listing violations occur when a seller engages in the following listing activity:
Stating the reserve price in the title or description of the item when the item has not been listed using the reserve feature.
Stating in the title or description that the high bidder is obligated to purchase the item even if the reserve price has not been met.
Reserve Fee Avoidance - canceling bids and ending a listing early because the seller's desired price has not been met.
Listings that violate the reserve fee policy are not permitted. Disciplinary action may result in listings being ended and/or a formal warning or account suspension.
To report a listing that has a description or title that violates the reserve price policy contact us with the item number.
To report a listing that a seller ended early in violation of our reserve fee avoidance policy, contact us with the item number you would like us to review. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, eBay will investigate sellers who abuse this option.
We have all seen auctions close early - for a $1,000 guitar maybe no complaint; for this one, maybe. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Here are some thought on this slothead guitar and all slothead adamii in general.As we all know this guitar has become legendary among Ovation fans.In other guitar circles and sites no one cares or would pay over $1000 for one.Most would not pay $500 for one,unless someone educates them about them.
In the last two years i have seen these guitars become the pre war martin D45 of the Ovation world.Highly sought after.With 35 examples available,i can see why.I personally was searching for these guitars 6 years ago.Long before the craze.Since then i have owned 3 of these highly prized guitars(#31,#33,#57).I have paid from $1800 to $3500 for them.At the time i though i was crazy for paying so much but knew deep down what these guitars would reach once the rest of the ovation fans discovered them...
So, the question is are these guitars worthy of $5000 0r $10,000,how about $15,000? Will one reach $20,000? I would not sell mine for less than $20,000 because of the rareness of the guitar,the condition and the Paul McCartney connection.Having said that i dont believe anyone will pay me $20,000 for it at this time.Who knows down the road.
(please dont fall asleep,im making a point)
So,with the recent ebay sighting of the slothead #50 and the $15,000 reserve i began to wonder about the slothead adamas'and its future value and place in guitar history.
Here is my conclusing.Just as the pre war Martin D45 rose in value from the 60's($20,000) thirty years after its release
thru the 70's ($40,000)to the 80's($60,000)thru the 90's($100,000)to its current value of $145,000..
The Adamas slothead in the same way being the rare top of the line model is now pushing thirty years old.They began selling at around $2400 in the late 70's.Reached the $3000-$5000 range in the
late 80's to early 90's.Recently one sold for slighty over $6000 to Japan.So, the adamas is rising in value fairly well.What will be its next step up the value ladder?Im not sure if anyone will pay the $15,000 for this #50 guitar but if they do i dont believe they will ever loose money on it years from now.Lets sit back and watch these rare unique guitars find their place in history. |
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Location: SoCal | As always, interesting thoughts, Sam.
I thought the one that went to Japan did sell for $15k? |
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Location: NJ | ". . cliffito, you actually gig with yours don't you? . ."
Russ, I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've actually "gigged" w/it . . .
Other than something like a playing at a wedding or at someone's house, I've only really played in public places where I was confident it's safety/security was ensured (quiet, intimate solo gigs where I have enough room to safely mic it and have a secure enough spot to put it when not in use).
Such was NOT the case last night . . .
An errantly thrown half mug 'o beer managed to splash itself on ME, my mic/stand, my GUITAR, my pedal board, AND my 12-string on it's stand!!!
My partner just looked over, and muttered:
"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . . . S%^T!!!!!!!"
Luckily, I keep a small bale of hand towels and a bottle of Dun65 in my bag for just such morons . .
Giving someone a public verbal castration (especially when possesing both a microphone AND the sympathies of the entire house) inflicted a much a better blow to this clown than any physical throttling I could have dispensed on him.
(Of course, afterwards, I showed no ill-will by allowing him to buy me NUMEROUS snifters of the absolute BE$T tequila that the house offered.).
On the SlotHead:
I kinda agree w/the general consensus that this guy SEEMS to know what he HAS but is going about representing it "strangely".
Should be interesting to watch . .
. . . . that is of course if the whole thing does INDEED transpire. . . . |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I agree with Sam, It will be interesting to see how high they go and how fast. |
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Location: SoCal | Just got the following email from the seller:
"HI, GOT AN OFFER 6,800.00
LET ME KNOW IF YOU BID HIGHER SO I DON`T CANCELL 12HRS EARLY.
THANX,HECTOR." |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I second that. Turned the message over to eBay for whatever good it did. |
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Location: NJ | Please forgive my "eBay Ignorance", but can he do this?? |
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Location: SoCal | He can "do" whatever the hell he wants. Whether ebay lets him continue using their site is a different matter. |
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Location: SoCal | Will see if eBay warns him before (or cancels listing)...not much they will do after.
Serge is now high bidder...we'll see.
Great guitar but this still smells. |
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Location: NJ | . . . least it's getting a bit "interesting" now . . watching it over the weekend was a bit of a snore-fest. . . |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Cliff, if you are a bidder, a snore-fest is a very good thing!
By the way, are the epi's on the slotheads real wood?
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Location: NJ | Wayne;
I realize that, but sometimes when you have the luxury of not having to take part in the fray, it's fun to watch a good "blood sport" ;)
(and besides, it like "comps" in the real estate market . . . )
On the eppaulets:
Oh Yeah!!
I'd venture about 5-6 kinds.
Not sure which ones, though . . . .. (Bill?)
This was a textbook case of
"Doing It RIGHT the First Time" |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "but sometimes when you have the luxury of not having to take part in the fray, it's fun to watch a good "blood sport"
Why do we watch NASCAR again? Isn't ebay more like watching golf on a rainy day?
I am hoping that the invloved follow the rules in this one! |
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Location: So. Cal. | Just so you know, the seller has made it clear that if he does not get the price he wants he will not sell. He does not care if he gets a negative feedback or even suspension from eBay. You can be the highest bidder and it still would not matter. He is fishing for the 15K buyer.
I tried browsing over the eBay rules last night. Suspension is all they can do to such a seller. Unless you have the money to file a civil suit for breach of contract.
Let's do a poll on what the final price would be!? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Ebidding will peak at $8,250 - $8,500 at which time it will be pulled and end up on a wall in Tokyo. |
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Location: SoCal | I agree, don't believe it will sell for over than $9,000 and it will be a private offer.
And, as usual, we will probably not know the sales price...for the past several early issue Adamas I - only conjecture as to the past sales price. |
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Location: RI. That small State out East | My take is that he has a name or two that he is pitting against one another.
I agree that he won't follow rules. I think a $9,000 offer cash and close the sale would walk away with it.
You better get to him soon with cash because he could change his mind.
Yes, you better plan on spending another $400.00 to go to TX... Sooo, is that $9,400 My guess.
Woz
Very slow in answering any questions my way. I told him I believed he had it sold... Or like Mike said... He's still not selling.
"9 wide necks 27 narrow necks" does anyone know what #50 is? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Yes, you better plan on spending another $400.00 to go to TX... Sooo, is that $9,400 My guess."
Have Hizzoner send a Ranger!! :eek: |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | "9 wide necks 27 narrow necks" does anyone know what #50 is?
1687, like #50, is the standard (narrow) neck and 1689 is the wide neck model #.
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Location: NJ | #50 is a 1687. |
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Location: SoCal | Since my Adamas catalogs are on the east coast right now, what is a 1687? |
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Location: So. Cal. | 1687 - Standard non-cutaway Adamas I
color is -7 (beige) - see Tony C's collection. |
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Location: NJ | Wait a minute . . .
If #50 is beige, why's he showing a bleu one in his pix???? |
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