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Location: SoCal | I did picture and hear somebody playing an Ovation while I read what Al posted. I think it was a Custom Legend.
I'm done ranting. Some of you guys have become very good friends, some I'm still getting to know, and some I probably will never know or understand. I wish you all a very very Merry Christmas. Peace and Goodwill towards men. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | But farther than we should, sometimes.....
It seems a good idea to resist discussion of politics and religion on this forum. There are many viewpoints, and we are not going to agree. It is better to "agree to disagree" without vitriolic language and go on. We all supposedly are here because we are interested in Ovation guitars. There are wonderful, highly knowledgable people here on that subject, we should all concentrate on that.
Of course there are bad things going on in the world everywhere. But we can't solve them on this forum, we have to do that as best we can in our daily lives; we vote for our choice for leader, we go (or not go) to the worship house of our choice, we give money to what we believe are worthy causes.
And somewhere in all of this, we play and talk about our Ovation guitars.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Heard it said that if you're not a Liberal by the time you are 18 you have no heart, if you are not a Conservative by 35 you have no mind. Let me add that if you haven't made a decision where you stand and what you will do, at least in some small way along the way, you will have no hope.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If you don't like the flag-legend, then don't buy one. Simple as that. It's not our governments fault that guitar companies make guitars with flags painted on them.
I liken the flag-legend to GM coming out with a corvette painted completly like an american flag. A few folks will buy them. But most people would not be interested. Doesn't make them anti-american at all. They just don't care for the looks.
If ovation was smart, they would extend the technique of the flag painting to other options. I think they would sell of ton of guitars painted like 1) Erhnhardts #3 nascar, 2) NY Yankee pinstripes, 3) Maryln Monroe, 4) Elvis, 5) World Trade Center, 6) Mickey Mouse and 7) Dogs Playing Poker. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Dave,
I don't know which hurts more. The fact you could even mention those options or the belief that you are probably right!!! :eek: |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | The money to license all those options, especially the Earnhardt #3, boggles the mind!!!! :eek:
That is why I don't think we'll see them....
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Location: SoCal | I'm thinking one of the modern Adamii with the smooth top and the Dogs Playing Poker painted on it! It would become my new church guitar. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | My wife wants to know why I'm turning purple with smoke coming from my ears and emitting little "steam like" noises. |
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Location: Tennessee | Hang in there Bill. It's nice to see you back ... don't let the distractions distract you.
The guitar Ovation should do right now is a 1651 Legend Limited Edition John Lennon. Yoko is careful with what she does, but there is an Epiphone J160 and two Casino versions, along with a Rickenbacker. The 1651 is prominently featured on the most recent CD, and you'd think there would be a soft spot in her heart since much of Double Fantasy was either written on or recorded with the Legend.
I understand she does most of these things to perpetuate the legend, not for money.
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Good Christian attitude Leslie. Look out for yourself and the hell with everybody else.
Short and sweet, and then I'm done. Promise. After all, it is Christmas.
Jesus didn't save the world by fighting, and He certainly didn't save the world by bombing women and babies "to free them."
He really didn't. He saved the world by loving His enemies.
You too have a Merry Christmas!
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Location: Converse, Texas | So Leslie, did God not send His people out to conquer the land and kill ALL of the enemies, and when they did to take the spoils? What happened EVERY time they didn't follow God's direction?
There will never really be peace in the world. |
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Wow, this club is lots of fun! |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by Hizzoner:
So Leslie, did God not send His people out to conquer the land and kill ALL of the enemies, and when they did to take the spoils? What happened EVERY time they didn't follow God's direction?
There will never really be peace in the world.
Jesus changed all that. Pure and simple, the perfect example.
If everyone loved their enemies, there would be peace in the world. But there's too much money to be made in promoting and doing the opposite, so I have to agree with your last statement. At least until it's remade.
Leslie Bell
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Can we talk about guitars now? |
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Location: Houston, TX | I have something to say about this whole business.
But, in the interest of all things more interesting and productive, let's assume that I just made some more statements after that last statement.
That'a all I have to say about this subject. I apologize for the offensive nature of this post, and for the language. It should have been written in Portuguese. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Through out history war has always been an integral part of human nature. If not for war, we'd have no appreciation for peace. I don't condone war per se, but nor do I oppose it. It's just a part of life that always has been and always will be, to varying extents. My xmas wish is a big thank you to those who put their lives on the line so the rest of us can be free. There is no more honorable profession in my book. |
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Location: Tennessee | So this is Christmas
And what have you done
Another year over
And a new one just begun
And so this is Christmas
I hope you have fun
The near and the dear ones
The old and the young
A very Merry Christmas
And a Happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear
And so this is Christmas
War is Over
For weak and for strong
If you want it
The rich and the poor ones
War is Over
The world is so wrong
NOW
And so Happy Christmas
War is Over
For black and for white
If you want it
For yellow and red ones
War is Over
Let's stop all the fight
NOW
A very Merry Christmas
And a Happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear
And so this is Christmas
War is Over
And what have we done
If you want it
Another year over
War is Over
And a new one just begun
NOW
And so Happy Christmas
War is Over
We hope you have fun
If you want it
The near and the dear ones
War is Over
The old and the young
NOW
A very Merry Christmas
And a Happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear
War is Over
If you want it
War is Over
NOW
Happy Christmas
Happy Christmas |
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Location: SoCal | This is my last post on this subject for the rest of the year. I came across the attached colume by Jeff Jacoby. Bush is in the good company of FDR, Truman, and JFK, when he pushes the cause of freedom in other countries instead of just burying his head in the sand.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/12/26/in_the_footsteps_of_fdr_truman_jfk/
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Well said. Especially for a resident of a blue state. Dave |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
This is my last post on this subject for the rest of the year. I came across the attached colume by Jeff Jacoby. Bush is in the good company of FDR, Truman, and JFK, when he pushes the cause of freedom in other countries instead of just burying his head in the sand.
That's all well and fine. But don't EVER call THAT a Christian. THAT is antiChrist.
http://lvdi.viawest.net/~xbj/
Now I'm really done.
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Location: Midland, MI | On the one hand, there are much better arguments that could be made...on both sides. On the other hand, I'm glad that everyone is done. On the third hand, I'm sad that it had to go this way here. |
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Location: SoCal | I respect and honor my ancestors that fought to protect our rights and beliefs...from Callimachus (Gov. of Athens at the Battle of Marathon), Roderigo Diaz de Vivar (El Cid), Leo V Byzantium, Basil I the Macedonian of Byzantium, Olga (saint of Russian Orthodox, wife of Igor), Charlemagne, Louis Judice, Helen of the Cross Colchester, etc.
I have eight of the signors of the Declaration of Independence from Jefferson (1st cousin), Thomas Stone (gr-grandfather, one of Four Immortals of Maryland), Richard & Francis Lightfoot Lee, etc.
These are a few of my ancestors that, although they had imperfections, dedicated their service (and sometimes their life) to protect others, sometimes by the sword.
I support my cousin and his administration in his endevors - from pushing the UN and Europe in the Sudan to Iraq. For years, I carried my Marine Corps "782" gear and uniforms in my car's trunk going to and from work. And, I have a very strong faith. Yet, I was prepared to use the sword. There is no confict in that belief. |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Well I am a direct descendant of John Hart, New Jersey's signer of the Declaration of Independence and I have no doubt in my heart what he would say about all of this....
Merry Chrismas and Play Ovation ;) |
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Location: SoCal | I read Leslie's website. That is just about the strangest damn thing I've ever seen. I'm sorry, but I will never subscribe to his version of the Bible. He's taking the Bible and mixing it with the belief of Ghandi, and tossing in a little Vulcan philosphy from Star Trek. Very strange.
While I do believe that the lion and lamb can lie down together, you'd better be prepared to toss in fresh lambs now and again. |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I read Leslie's website. That is just about the strangest damn thing I've ever seen. I'm sorry, but I will never subscribe to his version of the Bible. He's taking the Bible and mixing it with the belief of Ghandi, and tossing in a little Vulcan philosphy from Star Trek. Very strange.
While I do believe that the lion and lamb can lie down together, you'd better be prepared to toss in fresh lambs now and again.
Vulcan phlosophy? Thanks, that's the heartiest laugh I've had all year, and the weirdest parallel anyone's ever made.
Look, Christians either follow the example Jesus Christ set Himself by His life and death or they aren't Christians. An example that was the personification of what HE said was the greatest commandment of all, "to love your enemies." PERIOD. Not to fight "for" them; not to bomb them to "free them"; not to "free them" to partake of their oil, not to "free them", period. Because to Christ what mattered was spiritual bondage, not earthly bondage. "Slaves obey your masters" and all that.
It really is THAT simple. And it has nothing to do with Ghandi, or Mr. Spock, except possibly that both of whom are closer to Christ than George Bush & Co. WILL EVER GET.
Look, my Dad fought in WWII. He also knew the truth and didn't consider himself a Christian because of it. My father GOT it.
You either follow Jesus to the cross or you don't, but don't you dare kill in His name, or worse yet, send others to their deaths killing FOR YOU in His name.
I CANNOT believe my very straitlaced LUTHERAN church was THAT weird in what they taught... I dunno, maybe they do take Martin Luther more seriously than other denominations. Or maybe I heard more sermons being in the worship band. And they thought I was sleeping!
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