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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Just couldn't let this thread die without hitting message #250.
Plus I have to agree that the DADGAD tuning turns the 12 fret Adamas and the FD14 into MAJOR TONE MONSTERS! |
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Location: Tampa, Florida | Originally posted by Mr. Adamas:
what are you talking about? texture top adamas is supposed to have the problem you described?? ... "epaulet glue is sloppy with patches of glue around the epaulet" is normal?
i've been playing & collecting texture top adamaii for over 20 years. i just checked my adamii in the house. none of them has this kind of problem. FLAWLESS!! Maybe I overstated the issue, its not like there are streaks of glue all over the top. There are some smudges on the top, that can only be seen in the right light angle. On a gloss finish, you could wet a rag and wipe them off, but they won't come off the textured top. It's not a big deal at all. And the edges of the epaulets have some areas where a glue smudge protrudes out about 1mm. What should I do, send it back to the factory to have the smudges fixed? I am satisfied and think it is a great guitar. |
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Location: SoCal | The only imperfections in my Adamas I 12 string ("Big Blue") are the ones I put in it thru plenty of usage. It came perfect from the factory. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | which ultimately makes this thread all the more frustrating! |
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Location: Converse, Texas | I learned quite a bit at the Texas jam with DADF#AD tuning. |
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| Originally posted by Standingovation:
Originally posted by Mr. Adamas:
guys, calm down, give the factory a chance.
send it back, you will receive not just a brand new guitar, but it's flawless, i quarantee =) With all due respect Mr.A, that's a lot of bullshit. Home builders pull that crap all the time - do a 95% job and 9 times out of 10 the buyer will be so thrilled with his new house he won't notice. But I would never expect that from any musical instrument builder who intended to be in this business for very long. Is that what we think O's business plan is? Ship shoddy work and hope most people don't notice? Those that do complain we'll gladly fix it up and make it flawless? For christ frecking sake why wasn't it flawless the first time around!
As Ovation fans and lovers I'm sure most will give them the benefit of the doubt, suck it up and shell out the money to send it back to get the TLC it should have gotten the first time around. But many new prospective Ovation buyers won't. It took Ovation a long time to come up with some guitars that could maybe be considered side by side with the woodies. Guitars like the FD14, the CL30, 05C, and the U681. And as appealing as the sound comparison might be, die hard woody lovers will take one look at shoddy workmanship and walk away - forever. You'll never get them back.
And please don't anyone bother unloading about how all guitar builders have a small number of cosmetic issues. That's just plain not true. I spent the better part of Saturday browzing NY's shops for middle of the pack ($2000 to $3500) woodies and the dozens and dozens of them I examined and played were spot-on perfect pieces of art (although some did in fact sound like absolute crapola).
In almost 35 years of playing and loving Ovation guitars the issue of quality workmanship has never even entered my head. You bought Ovation and by definition you were getting quality workmanship. I never in a million years would have expected a thread like this one over a guitar with as good of a pre-reputation as the U681. Something is seriously wrong if Ovations most loyal followers (we're a FAN club!) are coming unstuck over this.
I'll post my observations of my U681 when it arrives, but probably that's still some time off. The bright side of the picture is that so far everyone who has got one seems to love the sound. Kind of like one of my old girlfriends - don't look to closely and you'll like her just fine.
Dave
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Location: Midland, MI | This thread needs it's own message board. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "I'll post my observations of my U681 when it arrives, but probably that's still some time off."
HUH ??? I don't usually jump in the mix, but am I correct in assuming one of the most vocal of this thread DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE GUITAR??? If I misread, I appologize, profoundly even. If in fact you do not have one of these guitars, sit back and enjoy, I will have a lot to say. |
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Location: SoCal | U681T on eBay: **NEW** OVATION Adamas Limited Edition! - "drastically reduced... because of a small factory imperfection"
I was hoping dealers would return the problem ones instead of dumping them.
IMHO This hurts the value of the Limited Edition. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That definately looks to be a sharpie mark to conceal the space between the heel and neck joint. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mr. Adamas:
dave, have you received your guitar? it's been 2 more weeks. no news means same problem on yours?
Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
HUH ??? I don't usually jump in the mix, but am I correct in assuming one of the most vocal of this thread DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE GUITAR??? Guys, why are we piling on the poor kid from Phoenix? Please re-read the posts. Here are the facts wrt what I wrote:
1. Not once did I comment or criticize the flaws in these guitars directly, because I have not experienced them or seen them myself. I commented on photos I saw of another members instrument which certainly looked like shoddy work.
2. I corrected Mr. Adamas for saying he gaurenteed that the replacement guitar would be flawless. How can he gaurentee that unless he is the QC guy himself, which maybe he is.
3. I commented on the way people were dumping on ovation for doing shoddy work without necessarily giving them the chance to make it right.
4. I tried to pre-empt what had come up in other posts "all guitars have defects, just go look at a new taylor or martin". In my experience the martins I have purchased and those I am currently shopping for are flawless. That is not a negative comment toward ovation. All ovations I have purchased to date have also been flawless.
5. As far as my personal observations, I thought I was crystal clear that I would post my personal observations of my own U681 as soon as it arrives and I told you up front that it would be some time still until I get it.
6. Several weeks have passed without my posting my own observations because I have not gotten the guitar yet. The fact is that I ordered my U681 with some custom modifications and I expect it will be a few months before I get it.
So what exactly have I done that's got you guys so ruffled ???
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Wrt the ebay auction, interesting that the bidders so far are all OFC members. Dave |
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| Originally posted by Standingovation:
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Originally posted by Mr. Adamas:
guys, calm down, give the factory a chance.
send it back, you will receive not just a brand new guitar, but it's flawless, i quarantee =)
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With all due respect Mr.A, that's a lot of bullshit. Home builders pull that crap all the time - do a 95% job and 9 times out of 10 the buyer will be so thrilled with his new house he won't notice. But I would never expect that from any musical instrument builder who intended to be in this business for very long. Is that what we think O's business plan is? Ship shoddy work and hope most people don't notice? Those that do complain we'll gladly fix it up and make it flawless? For christ frecking sake why wasn't it flawless the first time around!
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with all due respect standingovation, that's a lot of bullshit. you didn't disagree with my quarantee; you dislike the idea of shipping shoddy work to customers & having customers to return parts.
take it easy. nothing personal =) i just wonder whether you have received your guitar or not. didn't mean to pick on you. i got a good deal from my dealer but not sure whether they have fixed the problems. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | No, nothing personal, this is all just fun banter back and forth. I just wonder how you say that the effected members will recieve back a brand new guitar that you gauantee will be flawless? Unless you are personally the one building and inspecting it, how do you gauantee that? We're probably just mixing words here. Anyway, I'll surely give you a report on the condition of my guitar once I get it. Bye. |
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| Bump.
It was slipping down the board, and as of this evening it's my 9th oldest friend. |
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Location: SoCal | Besides, it's fun to watch Dave get dumped on... |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Let see if Michael and Dave will battle anymore..it's all in fun but Heck they could sell tickets...it's that funny! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by schroeder:
Bump.
It was slipping down the board, and as of this evening it's my 9th oldest friend. 9th?!... I'll need verification. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Guys, why do you call this a battle? Come on, like I said it's just all good fun. Everyone has opinions and we get good entertainment throwing them back and forth. For the record, I'm usually right, but that's not the point.
I think everything that could possible be said about this U681 issue has been said. Let's see how it all pans out. I expect the owners who have had to get rework will in the end be very happy, as will everyone else. I've never had an exchange with anyone on this board that left me feeling bad. Heck, I even argue with my wife but in the end we still love each other. And the couch is VERY comfortable. Always being right doesn't necessarily mean you win the battle.
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Not really a battle...bad choice of words..but just fun to watch the playful exchanges. |
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| from bongo boy,
"9th?!... I'll need verification."
alright - my oldest friend.
are you happy now? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Well Noah (Bruce) was the first to send his back in. Hopefully, the factory will be sending it back soon and we can hear a first hand updated report. |
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| dave, you've been posting in the wee hours. guess you must be arguing with your wife & have been sleeping in the couch =) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mr. Adamas:
dave, you've been posting in the wee hours. guess you must be arguing with your wife & have been sleeping in the couch =) Ah, good guess but wrong. I was in Europe until just this afternoon. The sun never sets on the OFC empire. |
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